Pres. and Sr. Mason

Pres. and Sr. Valantine

News: Mormons & Proposition 8

QUOTE Could you explain your definition of the constitution and the relationship to prop 8, or the lack there of. People like to throw that around a lot but everyone has a different definition of it. To me, a constitution is a document outlying the fundamental principles of government. I do not believe it is appropriate to put prop 8 as an amendment because it doesn't address any principle for government--it just defines the word marriage. Save the definition for the dictionary. Even the prop 8 website Protect Marriage acknowledges that gays and lesbians have the same legal rights as those married. Prop 8 won't change that--it would just require that such associations not be called marriage. QUOTE And how do you think that meeting would go? Given the 2 various stances it would be a waste of time and probably cause more turmoil. Besides I don't believe that it is to the church's advantage to meet with these sorts of secret combinations at this time, but that is just my opinion. How well the meeting went would depend on the civility of the people attending and their desire and willingness to resolve the issue instead of bicker and fight. It may take more time for them to be ready to do this. The gay community wants their relationships to have some validity and the Christian community wants to protect their children. I understand one problem arose in a state that legalized gay marriage because a teacher read a book about a gay relationship (prince marrying prince, princess marrying princess) to a younger class. Because gay marriage was accepted, the parents had no say in this matter. I would agree that this is unacceptable. While at some point everyone will have to learn about this issue, it should not be taught to young children who haven't even gone through puberty (unless under special circumstances, such as a child in the class with same sex parents). I have a hard time believing that all of the gay community--especially those raising kids--would think it acceptable without parent oversight. Rather off topic, but... QUOTE Does any one remember that Iraq war? Do you remember them saying the same thing about the Iraqis? We are being given this "save the Darfur people". Do you know what this region has? The answer is oil and lots of it. We are trying to secure the world's oil production. The Sudan is selling it to China right now (Our enemy). We don't care about the people in Darfur. It is just an excuse to start a war in the region to secure resources. And the last thing we want to do right now is tick China off any more. And if we help the Darfur people it will ruin relations with china even more. We never entered Iraq to help the people. When the claims that Iraq was harboring WMDs were unfounded and the war grew unfavorable one of the reasons for entering magically became that we were there to help those people out. As for caring about the people in Darfur--well, many people don't really care about the human suffering in the world that is so far removed from them. I do. It disgusts me to read about the most horrible dictators in the world that the United States takes no action against. At the very least they could refuse trade with them. [See Similar Topics]