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Name: Pheonix

Comments: I hope I don't offend you, but I disagree! I think that Exile is right that the people didn't know Alma from Adam or Cane. But he wanted them to try the words anyway. I also think that you are contradicting the prophet and current church doctrine! John Taylor said,

He also said

And I know that many in the world don't have the Spirit because they drink and sleep around. Albert Einstein had sex with his unmarried wife and even had a daughter out of wedlock while coming up with many of his theories. Then he hid it from his family and made his girlfriend give the child away. It's terrible! He also wrote letters talking about how drunk he got. But he still came out with amazing truths that even you likely believe!

I know exactly how John Taylor felt when he said,

Brigham Young experienced the something similar. I was told that the LDS missionaries brain wash people and they are "false prophets and anti-christs" and that I shouldn't listen to them. But I did anyway. And I was convinced and my friends became my enemies and said that the devil had tricked me.

Now I am in the LDS church and they tell me not to listen to non-LDS sources. I like to listen to Christian radio and I learn a lot from it. I like to hear protestant preachers talk about certain subjects because they share neat insights. But when I tell people at church that I learned something from a radio preacher, that treat me funny and tell I should only study inspired LDS sources.

If I was not willing to talk to and consider the anti-christs, (missionaries) I would never have been converted. My previous friends say it is a bad and my new friends say it is good. LDS_forever is saying that it was a bad thing for me to listen to the missionaries because

If I had believed that, then I would not be Mormon. So, either I should never have listened to the missionaries or it is ok to listen to anyone I want to hear, even uninspired non-members.

I am more like John Taylor who said,

If someone has a thought or idea that I didn't think, I want to look at it. Even if it comes from anti-mormon sourses. Truth can stand for itself and am ok with hearing both sides in free and open discussion. If listening and considering got me here, then why should I stop so I don't go any further?

I"m sorry I got so emotionally charged on this. It is a big issue right now in my life and I am dealing with it. I hope I didn't offend anyone. Thank you for letting me vent. I feel much better now.

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Where did I say that? How does my name reaches to your own personal story about listening to the missionaries? I think you misinterpreted my words and got a little carried away. You should read my words back AND in context to get a grasp about what I meant. I was specifically speaking about False Prophets.

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Name: Pheonix

Comments: I'm sorry, I wasn't very clear. What I ment was that you saying not to listen to False Prophets was exactly the same thing I was told by my protestant friends who were telling me that the Mormon Missionaries were false prophets and I shouldn't listen to them. My point was that If I followed your "advice to not listen to false prophets", then as a non-member who was told the missionaries were false prophets, I would not have heard the discussions.

If being open to, listening, considering or as Alma said, planting the seed and nourishing it is what got me here, then it isn't reasonable to say I should stop listening to people I may not agree with. I'm not speaking well my thoughts.

I listened to the missionaries who were "false Prophets", from the protestant point of view. That is no different than listening to the "false Prophets" from a Mormon point of view. Truth is truth and error is error. Let the false prophet stand or fall for them selves. Throughout history/scriptures there are good prophets who are called false prophets over and over again, just like the missionaries were to me. But by listening to all thoughts and ideas were ensure that we don't miss the right ones.

Like Alma said, plant the seed, good or bad. Good ones grow and bad ones don't. But don't be so prideful or judgmental to judge someone a false prophet and not give them a chance to stand or fall for themselves. Truth will prevail, always.

Joseph Smith knew there was no harm in letting the other guys have a say and he didn't need to protect his congregation from false prophets. He said things like

and

Joseph wasn't afraid of letting "false prophets" preach to his congregation from his own pulpit. why should we be afraid to listen to the false prophets that might be missionaries of God? That's how I got into the church.

I am having a hard time sharing my thoughts. I hope I didn't offend anyone. That's just what I think.

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Pheonix listen bro your position makes no sense. You can't pick and choose what the prophets have to say about a particular point of doctrine you know what am I saying? You're quick to mention John Taylor but slow to mention that the prophets have told us to not dive into anti-mormon stuff. The thing is you're free to choose you know what am I saying but you need to be careful in not trying to twist the words of scripture to fit your own philosophical view of things. Plus how in the world do you connect false prophets with missionaries? You're mixing up things bro.