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Kidnappings in Trinidad A big report by the BBC. Do you think the recent documentary by the BBC about the crime rate and kidnappings in Trinidad was overdone or accurate? Are we becoming like Colombia? Does the government acknowledge that there is a serious problem?
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Post Date: 29th May, 2003 - 8:40am / Post ID: #

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Your response is absolutely called for but the reality and practicality of uniting under a common front to fight corruption is unrealistic at this point in time for several reasons :-

-the general attitude and mentality of the popolation.

Carefree, slack and still experiencing colonial hangover - the national psyche is used to taking orders from the massa and unused to thinking for themselves. The general understanding is that Trinidad is a small place, eyerybody knows everybody thus making enforcement a big problem because bush telegraph will speedily reveal where the enforcers next of kin live or go to school. This of course is an erroneous notion. One only needs to look at the smaller nation of Singapore which has zero natural resources. No doubt some call it a police state but sometimes some rights of a few individuals have to be sacrificed for the betterment of the whole.

-successive governments are rotten to the core and inherently stupid,got no shame and suffer from similar lazy attitude. Basically all fa*t and no sh*t

- cultural inheritance

Uniting against corruption in trinidad is like swimming upstream and calling for such action would only make my earlier post ring hollow. My posting is dedicated to the very few who are caught between a rock and a hard place and does not serve to accept or encourage kidnapping, dirty money etc but hopes to provide micro solution of relief for several unwitting participants down the line, seeing that corruption is a way of life in tnt these days. At least they can keep their inner pride knowing that they are not feeding their families with ill gotten gains and maintain contact with their faiths. At least the poor will get something out of it all, seeing that poverty in tnt is one of the underlying causes of the problem.

A macro suggestion at tackling the problem would be for the caricom countries to form a pan or transcaribean police force. TT police will be used to police Jamaica and say Barbados cops can enforce the law in TnT, barring nationalistic pride.

I say good on the BBC for airing such a program and hope it makes people responsibile for the safety of its citizens embarrased to the nth degree. These people who profess they can run they place have to realise the difference between self interest and principles OR let someonelse do the job.



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[quote] Your response is absolutely called for but the reality and practicality of uniting under a common front to fight corruption is unrealistic at this point in time for several reasons :-

-the general attitude and mentality of the popolation.[/quote]
Well, well, I have to shake your hand and give you two charisma points. Assuming you are a Trinidadian then I would have to say, 'At last there are others who 'see' what is going on here'. (Update your profile to replace the frog with your flag, etc.)

[quote] I say good on the BBC for airing such a program and hope it makes people responsibile for the safety of its citizens embarrased to the nth degree. These people who profess they can run they place have to realise the difference between self interest and principles OR let someonelse do the job. [/quote]
Amen to that!

However, I must add... (and this is somewhere else within the T&T board) that I think the answer is for a 'few good men' to take the hold of government. Yes I think one man can make the difference, but I do not see such a man in rule right now.

I believe it will be good to see your views in the other threads on this board since your grasp is above the base value of the population here.



Post Date: 29th May, 2003 - 9:42am / Post ID: #

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I believe you are refering to the " Greatman ". Somehow and don't ask me why, I feel its going to be a great woman as far as Trinidad is concerned with help from the commonwealth and giant neighbours from way up north. You obviously are familiar with the mechanics of similar situations and evolution of several x british colonies. The Trini's inherent disposition for peace, music and decency will come into play when critical mass is reached. I hope not too many lives will be lost and I hope OECD countries will not exploit the situation as per usual to havest intellectual expertise, thereby exasperating the situation even further. It will also help if trinis living abroad are more sensitive and abstain  from gloating about the local situation when they return to TNT to visit friends and relatives. This does not help as the collective psyche there now wants out. Boasting how better things in their adopted countries and condemming the local situation in front of the host won't help and will only demoralise and break hearts.

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[quote]I believe you are refering to the " Greatman ". Somehow and don't ask me why, I feel its going to be a great woman as far as Trinidad is concerned with help from the commonwealth and giant neighbours from way up north.[/quote]
OK, I will say a few good men and women or as you have upgraded it to 'great' I will say a 'few great men and women'. I am not too sure what you mean about the 'help from the commonwealth and giant neighnous' since in my view they mostly suck smaller nations' resources but care nothing for the social welfare of the people (but that is another thread).



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Wow Jason, great posts!. Sometimes as an Argentinian living here I feel like a little fish in the middle of the ocean where it seems I'm the only one who thinks like that. Of course, I cannot share my views with the people much because the first thing they tell you 'if you don't like it, why do you live here?'...I wish it could be that simple. What it bothers me the most is when people try to force you to think in the way they do. sad.gif I'm glad to know we think alike in this subject. PLEASE, reply to the other Trini threads, I would really like to see your thoughts about other issues. Thanks smile.gif



Post Date: 30th May, 2003 - 12:13am / Post ID: #

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When I say women will lead change in TNT I am not hinting at political correctness on your part JB. I mean that a group of women will spearhead the movement for change.

It is an indisputeable fact that the strong will always thread on the weak. I do not support socialist revolution as we know it really does not work and is a con on the masses, whilst their leaders sit back and sip vodka and eat caviar. Its principles may be attractive and workable in the realms of heaven but down here on earth they don't apply. Besides, if the powers that be get even a whiff of such a movement they will snuff it out quickly, and involve as many others as they can. See what happened to Grenada. I believe Trini troops took part too. Such movements are  delusional and even bigger conns than capitalist ones and work only if pesant mentality is dominant.

Change from within will be the way to go with sensible participation from multinationals operating in trinidad and their respective governments. Trinis got to face the fact that it will always be an interdependent world. They need your resources and you need their expertise to exploit those resources. Sensible nationalisation, not window dressing or extremism is called for. The average trini is a fairly right winged and capatilist fellow himself, with at least one relative in places like N.America. He loves his lime session and I say nothing wrong with that, because I'd rather be with calm and cool folks than stressed up neurotics. One half is blindly obedient while the other is rebellious for the sake of being rebellious.

Even if a solution and its means are now available in Trinidad, pigheaded blind nationalism will always block it. Trinis are not the only ones who fall into this trap.

Protocols must be observed. When in some one's house or country avoid making negative comments or offering alternatives unless asked for by the host or else inferiority complexes will surface and they will tell you to leave if you don't like it. Trinis really don't put it this way Dey Sey: " Awww...dats de trini way of doin tings"
when you find yourself stressed to make it to a bank appointment because slow moving traffic snarl has come to a halt since the chubby traffic cop in his sloppy uniform took over. Finally you get there but find yourself  still waiting to enter a bank at 11:00am and the branch manager has gone home to get the keys, your cell phone service is down and you have been unable to flush your toilet for the past few days even if you are paying to dollar for your appartment.

Some people though thrive on in efficiency by offering all sorts of services to streamline things. Then again some say innefficiency is one of the best ways to keep multinations at bay. Imagine a TNT with a regimented population and effieciency like that of Japan's - the humming bird will take off ASAP for better environments and the magic of carnival will ebb, and the beat will be gone. Some might think I digress from the main topic but one must tackle the cause and not treat the symptom using bombastic terms like operation this and operation that. All trinis should also know that they are fast becoming the laughing stocks of the world, especially when people all around the world get to see all sorts of cockups that beat logic, like walls falling on top of guest cricket teams in the stand, on satellite TV.

At the end of the day it comes down to quality versus quantity, services and not money, in exchange for goods. Come what may, but one things for sure now and that is the situation in TNT is like a dam with several holes in it and cracks are starting to join the holes. I say, if a family is stupid enough to be divided then they deserved to be ruled by others. I know of several small creatures when cornered will attack. I wonder about the average Trini, will he fight back or will his ancestry of submission overide.

By the way I heard from the pumpkin vine of an internet site containing digital pics and vidoe clips of various poilticians, businessmen and cops taking bribes, threatening and beating up people etc. Apparently the site goes online intermittently. If anyone here knows the site address please email it to me thanks.

Post Date: 30th May, 2003 - 12:29am / Post ID: #

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[quote]I feel like a little fish in the middle of the ocean where it seems I'm the only one who thinks like that. Of course, I cannot share my views with the people much because the first thing they tell you 'if you don't like it, why do you live here?'...I wish it could be that simple. What it bothers me the most is when people try to force you to think in the way they do. sad.gif I'm glad to know we think alike in this subject. PLEASE, reply to the other Trini threads, I would really like to see your thoughts about other issues. Thanks smile.gif[/quote]

We have always tried to get people to think uniformly. We have exploited and misquoted, fiddled and rewritten several holy,history,etc books to do this. The masses are easier to manipilate if they all think alike. Even individuals do this to one another and expect it of the other. I guess it is a sort of mental chauvinism but then again an the extent overlap of two minds may serve as a useful bridge, provided two way traffic is allowed. You gotta chose who you wish to share your views or else it will be like water running off a ducks back or come across as preaching. But know one things, your thoughts are not always your own. If you develop the ability to keep absolutely still in mind and body you will see quite clearly that this is so. This is one reason why we get inventors and writers blaming each other for stealing one another's works not realising the inspiring thoughts may have entered their minds simultaneously.

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[quote]Some might think I digress from the main topic [/quote]
Yes, that is something often experienced here. We ask that you leave such observations for threads with similar subjects and there are many here, no need to only use this thread only. Spread the vibes wink.gif

[quote] By the way I heard from the pumpkin vine of an internet site containing digital pics and vidoe clips of various poilticians, businessmen and cops taking bribes, threatening and beating up people etc. Apparently the site goes online intermittently. If anyone here knows the site address please email it to me thanks.[/quote]
Wow, that would most certainly have to be an underground thing known to certain sources because anything like that would surely be traced (IP, host) by those who are shown on the pictures/clips.

[offtopic]Jason, update your profile already. I feel like I am corresponding with a frog wink.gif Click 'Profile' in the top menu and fill in all the relevant fields.[/offtopic]



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