First of all let me explain something that I have done many times before... 'America' refers to the whole Western Hemisphere which in fact is America. People have the habit of saying 'America' and meaning the 'USA' which is only a part of America. It is like saying 'Panama' and referring to Canada, USA, Mexico, Venezuela, etc. Anyway, enough on that... so the subject of 'Socialist America' refers to the Western Hemisphere and all the countries therein as a whole. You will always see me say 'US Citizens' when referring to people particularly within the USA.
Now on to our subject at hand - keep in mind that this thread allows you to play out a possible future scenario, NOT to discuss forms of governments as is done in other threads. Trends towards a socialist America seem more and more abundant as people's rights are trampled on (mostly because of ignorance) and the populace of each country in the Western Hemisphere becomes docile to the ideology that 'the government knows best or better'. The question is this... how long will it be or will it ever be that there is a point of no return or in other words, is it possible that in the future people will become so gullable that their countries will seem to be totally communist in nature?
You remember the story of the man and the piano. The man had a piano in a room in an odd place and the wife did not like where it was located so she moved it one day. The piano player, her husband, was very angry and moved it back to its original location. The wife, seeing that she would not get her way decided to move the piano by exactly one inch each day and the husband did not even notice. Before too long the piano was moved to where the wife wanted it and the husband was oblivious of it. She got her way. Socialism and other government forms that seek to take away the property and even agency of individuals are growing in strength - they moved by 'one inch' each day and the ultimate plan is to 'get their way'... what will happen, will we be overcome?
Play out your scenario...
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From preschool on up children learn to walk in lines, raise their hands to speak, sit where they are told and most importantly that what the teacher says goes -- not exactly a democratic environment.
I most certainly see socialism creeping through all of the Americas. Canada seems to be rushing headlong into it, and Mexico is very strongly socialistic. I am not as familiar with other Latin American countries, but the feeling is that the people are moving generally towards strong socialism.
I obviously think also that the US is heading towards socialism, although we have some checks in our system that is slowing it down. There is also a pretty strong conservative movement within the US that is implacably opposed to socialism.
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|how long will it be or will it ever be that there is a point of no return or in other words, is it possible that in the future people will become so gullable that their countries will seem to be totally communist in nature?|
Well, I would challenge the notion that governmental efforts (whatever they are) to create a "docile" masses would lead to socialism. I would actually argue that such efforts would lead to what is called totalitarianism with the illusion that it may be a "democracy" or a country "by the people".
Supposedly "Communist" countries hid behind this rhetoric--I'm thinking of Stalin in this case. But I'll avoid the talk about different governments. I just think that there needs to be a separation made between what socialism and totalitarianism are because they aren't the same.
There is some concern that the US is heading into that direction, but I don't think it is remotely as bad as it was at the turn of the 20th century--with McCarthyism, Wilson, Japanese concentration camps, the new FBI deporting supposed "radicals", and the Alien & Sedition Act. Fears were renewed with the Patriot Act (and PA II) recently. These fears are worth noting, but things are relatively better since then.
As for other countries in America, I'm not so sure.. Some would call Canada "socialist", but I haven't heard any coherent arguments for this. Are they supposedly socialist because they have a universal health coverage? The US is one of the few wealthy, industrial countries that doesn't offer this (may be a few other examples--South Africa, Israel perhaps).
Overall, I'm concerned with how the US will react to other countries in America deciding they know what's best for them. Throughout the past century, in countries like Grenada, Guatemala, and Nicaragua (to name a few), it can be argued that we actually scorned democratic efforts.
Edited: rustedhope on 30th Dec, 2004 - 4:44am
Interesting question. However, there are very few "true" democracies in existence. The US is certainly NOT one of them. Canada is even further down the Socialist path...HOWEVER...it is not true Socialism either. They are Socialist Republics...and there is nothing wrong with it. In a "true" democracy, I vote on everything. However, this is not very practical! I turn over my vote to a Senator/Representative that I may or may not agree with. I think people get to "uptight" with the phrase Socialist and relate it too closely to that of Communism. They are very different.
The US started sliding further down the Socialist-Republic path when Roosevelt started many of the government programs to help out during the depression in the 30's. While this did help get Americans back to work, it started government dependence that had not been there before. The government is big and strong and easy to depend on and today you see the result. The government is the biggest employer and provider in the US.
Canada has always leaned towards this direction. Ironicially, the US is actually slowly following in many of Canada's footsteps (but we wont admit it).
Much of Latin America is still climbing out of military rule. Most likely, they will go towards the Socialist-Republic direction as well. There will be a few though that do embrace the Communist philosophies.
Just a thought,
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Canada, what are you crazy, all their programs are already run by the government. Second I am familiar only with the US and I would say the threat is definately here our people are strong and prideful not to mention the One of the 2 major parties (Republiacans) have been noticing this trend taking over the Democratic party. I think most of the people see this but do not associate it with socialism just a party out of control and a little sketchy. As for the Libertarian party if they could get more recognition and I am sure they will as this problem progresses they could be the saving grace of the US but Canada I think not.