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I don't agree with the thought behind this statement, after all, everything we do is an individual choice because we all have free agency but when we are doing something contrary to what our God and leaders expect of us(even if it does not require a disciplinary counsel) then we are in the wrong path. He is a member of one of the new quorums of the Seventy, he has a Temple recommend and he is a full tithe payer...yet he is sitting down in Conference hearing the leaders condemning those who profit from porn and gambling and he is one of them. It does not make any sense to me. Now, I am not saying he should be perfect or anything because we all have our faults but people who hold leadership positions of such magnitude are supposed to be an example for the rest to follow. The Church is obviously aware of his business deals and yet still accepting the money that comes from those businesses. The Church as a body, also has a choice and they made it.

Please read my original post. He is very involved in the decision making but even if the board of directors disagree with his decisions, he has a choice of leaving the company if the things that the rest are doing go contrary with his personal beliefs. Again, is all a matter of choice of whether his standards are higher or lower than what he is getting on his position on the company.

The examples you gave are not a good comparison in my opinion because it shows hidden companies and articles you consume or invest without knowing by fact. The porn TV channels in Marriott hotels are clear as water. You are consuming what you wanted. Porn. It is not like you wanted Disney Channel and suddenly you realize that some of the profit goes towards a porn channel. This is the same thing. Some of the percentage go towards the channels and the other percentage goes towards Marriott Hotels.

I totally disagree with this. I personally think that as a member of the Church I have the right to question the business deals of anyone, including the Prophet if I wish to, this is not criticism but meant to analyze how people deals in their normal lives and the involvement and impact all this has in the Church and its members.

If we just nod positively to everything said and everything do, then there is something wrong. Obedience with understanding and common sense is great. Obedience as we are zombies is not the wisest of choice. In my opinion, of course.

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I am not saying that I agree with what he is doing, but I am also saying that none of us rightly knows the extent of his personal involvement, or the intents of his heart. He is not obviously not Hugh Hefner. His business is not pornography. Much of his income does come from lodging and restaurant services, of which a small fraction of the profit comes from allowing a third party to provide pay-per-view cable services in these establishments. However, Marriott is not only in the business of hotels. It's about real estate. They have some of the most valuable properties in prime locations all over the place. Real estate is where the company has most of its real value. My point in recounting all my points about investment was that Elder Marriott probably receives about the same percentage of his money from pornography as the average investor does.

Does that make it right? Not my call.

Of course we have the right to question - that is called agency. I think the problem comes when we use the problems we perceive in Church leaders as grounds for not following them. Those problems may seem very real and very blatant, but we do not know the full story. To doubt the veracity Elder Marriott's teachings because of his business may seem logical, but it is a dangerous road. Consider the collapse of the Nauvoo Safety Society, or the destruction of the printing press at the Nauvoo Expositor. Joseph Smith was a prophet of God, but some people used these and a thousand other perceived mistakes to justify their turning away from the truth. I am not accusing anybody here of doing that - I am only saying that Elder Marriott's business dealings, even if we find them to seem very unethical, are not grounds to automatically cry "fallen prophet!" If any man will do the will of God, he will know of the doctrine, whether it is of heaven or of hell. If we concentrate on living the gospel, the knowledge of what is true and what is malicious will be opened to our eyes and hearts. The point is that the Church, the Prophet, and the Lord will leave the choice in this matter up to Elder Marriott. We can only know if we should follow him by hearing his words and praying without prior bias.

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Okay, let's suppose it is not something we "perceive". Let's suppose you know for a fact that Elder Marriott is deeply involved with having porn tv channels in his chain of hotels. Let's suppose he agrees with having casinos worldwide because they are very profitable. Let's suppose he admits all these things and the Church is full aware of it. Let's suppose he admits paying a full tithe from all these things and the Church accepting those tithings.

Can the Church as a religious body counsel the Saints to abstain from doing all these things yet have someone in their high ecclesiastical body doing it and the Church being aware of it?. Yes, they can. Is it morally and religiously wrong?. Oh heck, yes. I could even hear the Lord saying "Generation of vipers!" if this is such the case.

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Well, I read this thread a few days ago and knew I didn't agree with what most people were expressing as their opinions. I didn't know exactly how to word what I did feel and then I got busy and forgot all about it. Howe came along and worded it quite nicely. I definitely couldn't have said it as well as he did, but I think he hit the nail on the head.

I do not believe this is actually a true representation what is occurring. If Elder Marriott took his money that he has been paid and went to Vegas and then gambled and won, they would not accept a tithe on that. However, I bet they accept tithing from people who work for the casinos doing things such as bookkeeping, waitressing, cleaning the rooms, etc. One could argue that this money comes from gambling and porn as well since the money used to pay these employees is derived from gambling proceeds and other monies paid by those staying at the hotels attached to the casinos.

Brother Marriott earns money through various means but he doesn't get it directly from porn, I don't believe. He is likely paid a salary for any boards on which he sits. He also earns money from the stocks he owns. As Howe pointed out already, many of us earn our money in ways that are similar if we choose to look honestly at the sources. For example, I work for a law firm. At times they represent criminals. Who knows where the money comes from to pay those legal fees.

My understanding is that the Church doesn't take money from "dirty" sources. I don't believe Elder Marriott is "dirty."

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THE NASTY TAINT OF PORN

Pornography taints everything it touches. Mitt Romney should have understood that. So should the Marriott Corp. and other hotel owners who offer hard-core movies in hotel rooms.
Ref. https://deseretnews.com/dn/view/1,1249,...97653,00.html

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This is such a delicate subject. Those who defend Elder Marriott in the subject state that the Corporation only owns a dozen of these hotels and the rests are franchises but how in the few owned by Marriott and family they still offering hard core porn? This is what Elder Marriott replied:

https://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/romney_pornography

He is saying directly that porn is economically important for the business and I bet it is! The issue is: Is the money for his business more important than his personal beliefs? (I am NOT speaking about the franchises but about those business owned by him) How come the Church is making a blind eye to this issue? Or is it again because he is wealthy and powerful everyone just bow down to him? Let's not forget he is a GA now.

Rather off topic, but... What about Romney? He was in the board of management for years yet the kind of response he gave as why he did not try to stop the issue of pornography is laughable: QUOTE During a recent Associated Press interview, Romney said he did not recall pornography coming up for discussion while he was on the Marriott board from 1992 to 2001. Despite being chairman of the board's audit committee, he also said he was unaware of how much revenue pornography may have generated for the hotel chain. "I am not pursuing an effort to try and stop adults from being able to acquire or see things that I find objectionable; that's their right. But I do vehemently oppose practices or business procedures that will allow kids to be exposed to obscenity," https://mparent7777-2.blogspot.com/2007/07/...otels-porn.html So as long as is lucrative....

https://mparent7777-2.blogspot.com/2007/07/...otels-porn.html

So as long as is lucrative....

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Some of you may remember the Church video presentations made by the Church with Elder Alexander B. Morrison narrating and saying that Members should fight pornography at every level including petitioning politicians and so forth. Then we have another saying we need to have the porn to make a profit, well that sounds wavy to me or should I say a double standard. I have been offered many times to both create and work with porn which would be 'economical viable', but I have refused to do so... what are you trying to say Elder Marriott?

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I was quite surprised to read the Deseret News (Church-owned Newspaper) ripped Elder Marriott and Romney for profiting on porn.

https://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56668