A debate at work was sparked regarding mythology and rumors that always fly around groups we don't understand. In this case, many still view the LDS church as a cult and thus come up with obviously fabricated rumors. But this statement made me stop and think and made me want to find a real answer.
The statement was made that the LDS church REQUIRES tithe. So much in fact that it is automatically taken out of your paycheck. So here are my questions:
1.Is tithe taken from paychecks?
2.What is the scriptural bases if this is true?
3.What happens if you cant pay the tithe? (friend says that LDS church has a collections group that goes after it)
Thanks for the help in either explaining a mystery or quelling a rumor.
|1.Is tithe taken from paychecks?|
|2.What is the scriptural bases if this is true?|
|3.What happens if you cant pay the tithe? (friend says that LDS church has a collections group that goes after it)|
|QUOTE (LDS_forever @ 26-Nov 05, 8:58 AM)|
|The group your friends refers to are 14 to 16 years old priesthood holders who responsibility is to collect tithing from the members.|
I actually laughed when I read the opening post, not at konquererz's question, but at the unbelievable rumors he has heard. I actually appreciate his willingness to ask rather than accept. I just don't get where this stuff comes from.
Not only does the Church NOT take money out of anyone's paycheck, they really have no way to know if I am paying a full tithe except to take my word for it.
At the end of each year, the Bishop meets with each family in the Ward (congregation), gives them an accounting of what has been received and asks if it represents a full tithe. This statistic is reported back to the Church Headquarters. However, no one is ever asked to prove how much they make to show it is a full tithe for example.
I guess the rumor of collectors comes from the practice of young priesthood holders collecting fast offerings. I have never lived anywhere that this practice was followed either.
An interesting fact to note is that no one in the congregation knows if anyone else does or doesn't pay tithing. No collection plate is ever passed in Church services. No one is ever asked to pay up. You fill out a tithing slip and hand in your donations one on one when you happen upon a member of the bishopric on Sundays. To me, this is much less itimidating than passing a plate and letting everyone sitting around me see how much I am giving.
It is true that we are all expected to pay tithing. This comes directly from the Bible and shouldn't be expected only of LDS members. In fact, many evangelical churches try to get their members to tithe as well. Still, whether or not I tithe (and I do) is not something anyone else knows.
I have no idea who does or doesn't tithe in my ward. I bet if I attended a church that passed a plate and never donated, everyone would know. So, to me, I think the way the LDS Church handles this is much more discrete and compassionate than how most churches handle it.
|There are a very few "callings" or positions of authority that someone who doesn't pay their tithes will be blocked from.|
|There are many members who are exempt from paying tithing because of their personal circumsntances. It is all between the person, the Bishop and the Lord. I hope it helps.|
|QUOTE (funbikerchick @ 26-Nov 05, 10:37 AM)|
I am not sure this is a true statement in all wards. I know in mine, it isn't. My husband once had a calling that required him to seek out people to assist in the Temple Cafeteria. To volunteer, you needed to hold a Temple recommend. If you don't pay a full tithe, you can't get a recommend. Well, they couldn't give him a list of who had a recommend and who didn't, but he was told that if someone had a calling of any significance, they had a recommend.
Thank you all for your answers, they are very helpful. I always try to put aside assumptions about other beliefs and cultures until I talk with those who live it. Rumors can get out of hand and stem from fear. Many people see LDS as a cult, and don't understand what its about. We fear what we don't understand, and rumors and whisperings come about to explain what they don't understand. Since its out of fear, its rarely accurate or good in general. Asking questions and getting answers from real LDS members opens up the lines of communication and breeds understanding among non-believers. Thank you for taking the time to answer. Anyone else who would like to add anything else, your comments are welcome!
People are so funny. Collections group, indeed.
Remember the parable in the bible of the widow's mites? She was destitute, yet still paid her tithing ~ even if it were just a few pennies, she knew the law and obeyed it.
|41 And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much.|
42 And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing.
43 And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury:
44 For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.
|Malachi 3:8 Â¶ Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.|
Of notable mention is that the LDS church is not the only one that does tithing. I grew up in the Seventh Day Adventist church and they also enact tithing. In fact, my mother, who is still SDA, pays tithes to the church. I know this because I do her taxes. ;) Tithing to me is not such a horrible thing, until it is blown out of proportion by those who do not understand. Most churches do some form of tithing, even if it may not be labeled as such. Taking a collection at church takes into consideration that the more money you make, the more you should give to the Lord. A percentage is not spelled out but the concept is similar.