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Women Silent - The Bible Revealed - Posted: 27th May, 2006 - 6:09pm
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In Church... (Not the same as the 'Should Women Be Pastors' Thread or similar.
Post Date: 27th May, 2006 - 2:37am / Post ID: #
Women Be Silent
Women Be Silent
What are your thoughts on the following scripture:
"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church" (1 Corinthians 14:34-35).
Keep in mind this Thread is NOT about whether women should be pastors or leaders, this Thread is whether should say anything in Church at all?
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Well, Bible Scholars seem to have a big issue about some of these verses:
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| Passages speaking of the subordination of women and wives are all found in letters most likely not written by Paul. The possible exception exceptions are I Cor. 14.34-35 and I Cor. 11:2-16. The first text says that women should not speak in church but should ask their husbands about matters after they get home; many scholars think that these verses are a later, non-Pauline addition to the letter. In the second text, Paul says that women should not pray or prophesy in church with their heads unveiled and their hair therefore exposed. Whether this text speaks of subordination depends upon the translation of the Greek word kephale (pronounced "kefalay") in v. 3: the husband/man is the kephale of the wife/woman. Often translated "head," here it almost certainly means "source"; if so, it echoes the Genesis creation story in which the man (adham) is the source of the woman (woman is made from his rib) and does not mean subordination. Strikingly, v. 12 affirms the equality of man and woman: "just as woman came from man [in the creation story], so man comes through woman [in birth]," But whatever the judgment about the correct translation of kephale, it is important to underline that Paul does not say that women should not pray or prophesy in church, only that they should be veiled when doing so. Finally, it is interesting to note that Paul grew up in a city (Tarsus) which women wore the complete chadar in public, completely covering them from head to foot (including their faces). Thus it is possible that Paul found unveiled women rather shocking |
"Reading the Bible Again for the First Time: Taking the Bible Seriously but Not Literally" by Marcus J. Borg (NY: HarperCollins, 2001, page 262, footnote 64).
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| 1 Corinthians 14:34-35. These verses are not a Corinthian slogan, as some have argued..., but a post-Pauline interpolation... Not only is the appeal to the law (possibly Gen 3:16) un-Pauline, but the verses contradict 11:5. The injunctions reflect the misogynism of 1 Tim 2:11-14 and probably stem from the same circle. Some mss. place these verses after 40. |
Written by Jerome Murphy-O'Connor, O.P., Ibid., pages 811-812.
Post Date: 27th May, 2006 - 6:09pm / Post ID: #
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As one who regularly argues the bible, I can tell you that most people have rarely read this passage. It leads to only one of four possible conclusions.
1. Women should not speak in church
2. Paul was wrong in his commands for women
3. The letter was not written by Paul and thus likely not of Apostlitic origins
4. The letter was later altered by another author
Any of these types of situations presents a problem, but is an issue that should be addressed in the church. My personal belief is that the letter is not Pauline mainly due to the fact that women were still considered semi-equal by the Roman empire at the time this letter supposedly addresses. Paul grew up in Roman society and would have been influenced by such. Seeing that Jesus never wrote anything like it, it is safe to say that someone else from a different era wrote it, probably late second century.
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