I believe nothing is random, so we have no free choice.
Today you can see that you can calculate peoples choices better and better and you can catch serial killers because they mostly don't kill in a random pattern.
You can calculate trajectories and alot of other stuff and the raising of a kid is a big part of the personality of the kid.
So actually we have no free choice. The way we were raised shapes our mind and the way we are and how we behave. Beside that the brain works in a specific pattern where it analyses the situation and mostly it launches a sub conscious action that then is executed by the body.
So in my oppinion there is no randomness, that means no free will.
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Do humans really have free will or is it merely an illusion?
Of course humans have free will, why else would I be called "retard" or better spoken by older people "mentally challenged". I'm a mentally challenged person with pwd status. I used to jump out the windows in school instead of using the door, the height is only about 8 feet, but I always hurt my knee.
I had special education all my life, I grew up in classes with what normal people would call "very special" people. If free will didn't exisited my friend wouldn't had been in troubled for destruction of properties and other problems with the law. If we didn't had free will, I would never choose to jump out the windows instead.
If the price of free will is merely just living a life of illusion, the price can never be so high I lost an adult tooth, and faced a very fearful tormentors of butchers aka dentists removing the root of it, I remember when I was child, every time I have a tooth removed all the staffs have to push my head downwards and the needle usually breaks and needs to be replaced. All of this.... is free will.
If there was no free will, I would never have so much fear. and the biggest price to pay of all prices for free will, is a intelligent. Never can a person do something "rash" and have intelligent at the same time.
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We can not have free will. As people said before me, if we had free will then things would be random, and nothing is random. The way our mind works is chemicals in our brain that react to certain things, just like any other chemical. We really aren't all that special, we just think we are.
I think you have brought up one of the on going arguements of Psychology. Does the chemical bring on the thought and action, or does the thought and action bring on the chemical
Nice topic. I had to do a dissertation on this for a philosophy night class I took. One of the biggest issues in Philosophy is called "compatibility" (compatibility with determinism).
Briefly, determinism is the view that everything that happens is necessitated by what has already gone before, in such a way that nothing can happen otherwise than it does. According to compatibilists, freedom is compatible with determinism because freedom is essentially just a matter of not being constrained or hindered in certain ways when one acts or chooses.
Incompatibilists hold that freedom is not compatible with determinism. They point out that if determinism is true, then every one of one's actions was determined to happen as it did before one was born.
Good luck grappling with that.
We have free will. Then we make choices.
Some choices lead to more freedom, others lead to less.
I get an education, I have more opportunities.
I never read a book, never search for more knowledge, I stop progressing.
I choose not to drive after drinking (if I was a drinker) and take a cab home, I may live another day.
I drink 10 beers and get in the car, I may live or I might kill.
I go to work in the morning, I get paid.
I stop going to work in the morning I get fired.
Truth is that free will is based entirely on choices. Some roads lead to more freedom, some will lead to less, its all up to us which road we will choose.
Edited: dbackers on 28th Aug, 2007 - 12:09am