The Seven Deadly Heresies & Mormonism

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21st Jan, 2007 - 1:44am / Post ID: #

The Seven Deadly Heresies & Mormonism

I do not know how many of you have read this talk by Bruce R. Mc Conkie, he gave this talk in BYU in 1980. It is a well known talk for the simple fact that he taught as doctrine several things that were merely his opinion (he used to do this a LOT) if not, just read his talks about the Blacks and the Priesthood and how he assured they would never be able to hold the Priesthood ever again...yep...after 1978 he had to swallow pride and take responsibility of some of the things he said.

Anyhow, this talks touches specific things that we even discussed here on the forum.

His "Seven Deadly Heresies" are:

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Heresy one: There are those who say that God is progressing in knowledge and is learning new truths.

Heresy two: concerns itself with the relationship between organic evolution and revealed religion and asks the question whether they can be harmonized.

Heresy three: There are those who say that temple marriage assures us of an eventual exaltation. Some have supposed that couples married in the temple who commit all manner of sin, and who then pay the penalty, will gain their exaltation eventually.

Heresy four: There are those who believe that the doctrine of salvation for the dead offers men a second chance for salvation.

Heresy five: There are those who say that there is progression from one kingdom to another in the eternal worlds or that lower kingdoms eventually progress to where higher kingdoms once were.

Heresy six: There are those who believe or say they believe that Adam is our father and our god, that he is the father of our spirits and our bodies, and that he is the one we worship.

Heresy seven: There are those who believe we must be perfect to gain salvation.


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I would like you to check the link, read the talk and share your views.



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21st Jan, 2007 - 8:31pm / Post ID: #

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Heresy one: There are those who say that God is progressing in knowledge and is learning new truths.

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God progresses in the sense that his kingdoms increase and his dominions multiply-not in the sense that he learn new truths and discovers new laws. God is not a student. He is not a laboratory technician.

I would hesitate to make any sort of final statement concerning God. Especially making a statement about what God isn't.

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Heresy six: There are those who believe or say they believe that Adam is our father and our god, that he is the father of our spirits and our bodies, and that he is the one we worship.

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The devil keeps this heresy alive as a means of obtaining converts to cultism. It is contrary to the whole plan of salvation set forth in the scriptures, and anyone who has read the Book of Moses, and anyone who has received the temple endowment, has no excuse whatever for being led astray by it.

Hmm. This is in direct contradiction with principles and doctrines that were VERY clearly taught by Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. I guess that Brigham Young, especially never learned anything from the Endowment. Perhaps that is why it was so important that the Endowment be changed.

Elder McConkie very clearly thought that he had the last word on all sorts of doctrines. His teachings on polygamy and Adam-God were particularly filled with his opinion, over and beyond the teachings of Joseph Smith and his successors.



21st Jan, 2007 - 9:27pm / Post ID: #

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From heresy number 6:

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Heresy six: There are those who believe or say they believe that Adam is our father and our god, that he is the father of our spirits and our bodies, and that he is the one we worship.


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Those who are so ensnared reject the living prophet and close their ears to the apostles of their day. "We will follow those who went before," they say. And having so determined, they soon are ready to enter polygamous relationships that destroy their souls.


Is it me or is he somehow admitting that the early Prophets indeed taught this but they were wrong?



22nd Jan, 2007 - 11:14pm / Post ID: #

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That seems to be true.

I would guess that he would also be among those that claim that it was a "speculation" on Brigham Young's part, despite the fact that Brigham Young clearly claimed that Joseph Smith taught him this doctrine, and in fact, Joseph's teachings clearly lead up to this doctrine.

Elder McConkie's prejudices are very clear. He hated plural marriage and the Adam-God doctrine. He supported the steps back into Christian orthodoxy, against the wonderful celestial principles that Joseph taught.

It is particularly interesting that he points out that the teachings of the living prophet and apostles are different than what Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, John Taylor, Wilford Woodruff, and Lorenzo Snow all taught (both plural marriage and Adam-God).

I also find it interesting that he claims that plural marriage destroys the souls of those who practice it.

Actually, this seems to me to be the EXACT same rhetoric that I see in anti-Mormon writings. Especially the "destroys their souls" type of wording.



5th Nov, 2007 - 7:59pm / Post ID: #

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I have always liked Elder Mckonkies works and yet I have disagreed with him in the past at the same time.
This talk however is one that I find intriguing.

Heresy one I believe is in line with all doctrines of early Leaders. God knows everything that can be known and does not need to learn anything else (As all things are in front of him).

I do think that those who practice Polygamy outside of the Lords program are destroying their soul. In the Book of Mormon Plural Marriage was forbidden at one time.
Jacob 2: 27

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27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any aman among you have save it be bone wife; and concubines he shall have none;

Other times it is necessary from the Lord. But at this point Plural Marriage has been forbidden in the History of the Church and can only be edifying to the soul when it is Sanctioned by the Lord.

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Heresy four: There are those who believe that the doctrine of salvation for the dead offers men a second chance for salvation.


I believe we all get a first chance for Salvation, whether it be in this life or the life to come. I do not think this is out of line with LDS doctrine.

Heresy three I love, because it does not absolve us from personal responsibility. We can only be exalted as quickly as we are able to be obedient to the covenants that we have made.

Heresy Seven I love more, because it shows that we can obtain exaltation even though we have weaknesses in this life. I believe that we can obtain forgiveness in this life and we can

Heresy two I am not sure about totally ignoring Evolution. I am one who thinks the lord created the earth over a indefinitely long time and he may have used natural law to create animals and plants.

Heresy Six is one I am still trying to figure out. I personally believe that Adam is separate and inferior to God the Father. The Temple seems pretty clear on this one (Adam being Michael and Elohim being the Father.)



6th Nov, 2007 - 12:52pm / Post ID: #

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I personally never liked Elder Mc Conkie's talk basically because he taught as doctrine his own interpretation and opinion. The best example I can give is with regards to the Blacks and the Priesthood, he was dead wrong and personally never liked the tone of his talks. His "Mormon Doctrine" book got him in trouble even with the First Presidency since he did not ask permission for the publication of that Book and had so many mistakes on it that had to be edited over and over. One of the editions was asked not to be printed because of all the doctrinal mistakes contained on it.

Heresy six, I am not so sure about. It is pretty clear to me that it was taught as doctrine by the early leaders. The explanations and interpretations given by consequent leaders do not convince me. For me, it was clearly taught, not that I personally believe it but I do not think we can deny that fact.

From the same talk:

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I do not think that the heresies I have named are common in the Church. I think that the great majority of the members of the Church believe and understand true doctrines and seek to apply true principles in their lives. Unfortunately, there are a few people who agitate and stir these matters up, who have some personal ax to grind, and who desire to spread philosophies of their own, philosophies that, as near as the judges in Israel can discern, are not in harmony with the mind and will and purpose of the Lord. It is incumbent upon us to believe the truth. We have the obligation to find out what is truth, and then we have the obligation to walk in the light and to apply the truths that we have learned to ourselves and to influence others to do likewise.


I think he must have included himself in this statement (bold part).



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20th Aug, 2012 - 7:24pm / Post ID: #

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I believe Elder McConkie was one of those GAs that just took too many liberties in what he said or wrote. Although at the time it was said that the First Presidency acknowledged his works I doubt they thoroughly even read it.




 
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