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Dissenters - Studies of Catholicism - Posted: 28th Aug, 2006 - 4:37am
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Post Date: 19th Aug, 2006 - 6:52pm / Post ID: #
Dissenters
I've come to a conclusion about dissenting Catholics and how they compare to their more faithful counterparts.
Here it is:
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| Faithful Catholics start families. Dissenting Catholics start organizations. If you need proof for the second point, I give you Take Back Our Church, the newest dissident group on the block. Started four months ago by former Jesuit and Newsweek contributing editor Robert Blair Kaiser and California businessman Robert Miller, the group joins an already crowded gaggle of dissenting organizations. So, what differentiates Take Back Our Church from Call to Action, or Future Church, or Voice of the Faithful, or The Association for the Rights of Catholics in the Church, or any other similar group? Good question. Take Back Our Church's Web site is stuffed with the same nonsense you've read before: The Catholic Church is authoritarian... Current Church leaders have turned their backs on Vatican II... The faithful need to reclaim their Church, and reshape it to match their needs. And so on. None of this is terribly surprising, given Kaiser's involvement in the project. He came out with a book earlier this year entitled, "A Church in Search of Itself: Benedict XVI and the Battle for the Future." If you don't have time to read it, let me give you a quick synopsis: The Fathers of Vatican II ushered in a golden age of openness, tolerance, and progressive action. Unfortunately, the dark forces of John Paul II and his diabolical collaborator, Cardinal Josef Ratzinger, clamped down on this movement of the Spirit, dragging the Church back to the Dark Ages. In light of this, thinking Catholics need to reclaim their Church... and maybe even start an American Catholic Church of their own (more on this in a moment). Sound familiar? This is the same tired song we've heard from all the other grey-haired dissidents of Kaiser's generation. Of course, there's an added note of desperation in this latest entry. The years are starting to thin the ranks of Kaiser's allies, and even liberal commentators acknowledge that younger Catholics are noticeably more orthodox than their elders. So if you're Robert Blair Kaiser, now is the time to act, before the dissident generation is no more. And here's where it gets really interesting... You see, Kaiser's organization is calling for more than just reform... they want an autochthonous American Catholic Church. An autochthonous Church isn't the same as an autonomous Church, as Kaiser is quick to point out on the Web site. Rather, an autochthonous Church is a native Church... an ecclesial body organized and run by people in that specific country. In the autochthonous Church of Kaiser's dreams, the faithful would elect their own bishops. But that's not all: "We will write a Declaration of Autochthony, one that will challenge our priest-people and our people-people to work out a constitution for the American Church that carefully puts aside the Rome-based secretive, half-vast, culturally-conditioned legalisms codified in canon law in return for the kind of servant Church envisioned at Vatican II." So... a democratic Church with elected bishops and a national ecclesial constitution. If all of that sounds more political than spiritual, it's no coincidence. According to Take Back Our Church's July 4 e-mail to supporters: "This will be a political battle in a Church that has gotten us used to the idea that there's something shady, maybe even something sinful, in trying to overturn the old pyramidal structure. We plead 'not guilty' to that charge. But we do plead guilty in our wish to overturn -- at least in the United States -- what the last pope called 'the divinely instituted hierarchical constitution of the Church.'" At least they're honest. They don't want a hierarchical Church that disagrees with them, so they need to overthrow it. Easier said than done. While Take Back Our Church may be long on ambitions, they're falling short on methodology. Indeed, right now,their principle concern appears to be finding members. As of July 4,they had a total of 580 people on their roll. Not terribly impressive. But don't worry... they do have a strategy for growth: "Right now, we'd like each of you, 580 of you, to scour your e-mail address books and urge your twenty closest friends to go to our website and sign in. Do it now." Okay, so maybe they need to work on their growth strategy as well! Article courtesy Brian Saint-Paul, Crisis Magazine |
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Post Date: 28th Aug, 2006 - 4:37am / Post ID: #
Dissenters
You have to know and understand church history to know why this continues to happen. I will not discuss the fact that the Bible can literally support any view you chose to have, even the bad ones. But I will discuss the reason that the Catholic Church has so many dissenters. It goes back 1900 years to the start of the Catholic Church.
Understand that the term catholic was one of the very first terms used in christianity. There is an idea that the term catholic was used later and that the "true" church survived underground and eventually broke free, thus the protestants. But thats false. The term catholic means orthodox and was used as early as 110 AD before the books of the bible were even all written. There were no dissenters at this time, simply other sects of christianity like the gnostics, marcionites, and arians. Eventually, in the 300 BC's, Constantine made christianity the official religion, and thus the dissenters where still rival groups of christians who couldn't agree on doctrine. But catholics didn't disagree, it was just a different doctrine.
Eventually, the likes of people like Bishop Ambrose weaseled their way into the power behind a weak Roman throne and by 400BC, the Catholic faith of christianity was not only made official by the Roman government, but it was enforced by cruelty and death. People had to convert or die, and entire other christian sects were wiped out as a result. Thus with only one christian faith, dissenters were born. You have never heard this because history is written by the victors.
However, you must understand that without quarter, every other christian group came from the catholics. Protestants, Angelicans, Pentacostals/Fundamentalists all came from the catholic church. With the exception of the Greek Orthodox, Coptic Christians, and the few remaining Syriac christians, all developed because of a different interpretation of the scriptures than the catholic church had. Thus the spread of christianity to syncretically include as many people as it does had to have dissenters that would split off or be reformers to the church. It is the way christianity has always spread and multiplied, by changing due to dissenters. But the holy mother church is still the largest sect of christianity thus it will always have dissenters who will try to change something, and perhaps eventually break off and become another sect of christianity all together. Remember, Martin Luther didn't want to start another sect of christianity, he simply wanted to reform the catholic church. Thats why Lutherns are so close to catholics in belief and practice.
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