I have thought about these posts for quite some time, the reason I had spend so much time was agonizing over the word Primitive, referred to my people who are reflection of myself. So Am I Primitive?
It was truly hard to remain objective at the same time struggling to fight back the accusation which cannot be true since I know I am not Primitive but, do I come from a primitive society?
What does this question mean to me and in reflection to the behavior and thinking of my fellow Trinidadians?
Does this Question itself have no real direction but to compel a discussion into the behavior of Trinidadians?
Or maybe the person asking the question, perception of Primitive is unrealistic.
In my previous post I stated that I believe that many Trinidadians are immature in their thinking and I still believe this. I will agree that "ignorance" has a big part to play in many attitudes which contributes to that juvenile behavior.
LDS_ what happened with you in that Taxi is unacceptable and I can't think of anyone Trinidadians alike who would condone this behavior if it were to happen to them. Now I completely believe that this behavior can be found in any country which exist today but its not all who behave this way it's a few. And when there is no protection from these individuals it fosters and becomes another issue the State is unwilling to remedy.
I think there are many Individuals in Trinidad who have no morals and don't care much about them. They feel they can do whatever it is they want without consequences. There are no repercussion as well as Cookie had pointed out.
I can understand what LDS is saying by relaying some of her experiences and I would be a fool to deny that exist. I know pretty well they do and its unfortunate that Trinidadians come from such a Rich country but can't move pasted these infantile behavior.
|Well, not all Trinis go to predominantly white neighborhoods abroad. If you notice, there is a large contingency of Trinis in Toronto, New York, Miami, London. Alot of Trinidadians go on "holidays" by their families, who live in those more "caribbeanised" locals. They are still exposed to their "own people", and when they go to shop etc, they stick with their families. This is not to say that they don't meet Caucasians. Of course they do. But its still not as frequent as they would socialize with their own race.|
Well, Trini's don't have respect for their country. We wont go to another country and do the same nonsense we do here.
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I just fixed your quote tags, you need to use this  instead of <> Thanks.
|Actually a tiger never changes his stripes, there is some level of assimilation which occurs to individuals who move to another country but its limited and no Cookie, they didn't have to smarten up, they were already intelligent individuals but you know the saying "when in Rome."|
|That I think is Primitive behavior so on some level there are Trinidadians who are capable of being Primitive but there are many Intelligent and Noble Trinidadians who think its time to change somethings and we have to work together to build a better future.|
Yeah I can see its a bit confusing:
What I am saying is the ones who do urinate on the walls in Trinidad do continue to do the same in the US or other places.
But the people who do choose to live a much more productive life was already intelligent, they didn't have to smarten up.
I was thinking the other day the following after observing people on the streets (your average Jane/Joe). Why I think some Trinis are primitive:
1. Some of them, keep themselves looking so scruffy! Particularly men, they do not shave or bathe and is disgusting seeing them like that, it is is the extreme of primitiveness.
2. They are noisy and they speak by shouting. Even when they say Good Morning they do it loudly and carelessly. They seem not to have empathy for anyone but themselves, if you try to talk to them about it they get either angry and cuss you or they just don't get the point (they look at you like if you are the mad one).
3. They stare at you with their mouth open, like if they are living in some type of lost tribe in the middle of the jungle and they just saw civilization! (Blow me if you don't like what I am saying! rolleyes but is just beyond irritating when they do that in public places!)
4. You can give them a good point or suggestion and they won't take you on...but a white man comes with the SAME point of view and they will listen, in few words, some Trinidadians still living within a slavery/colonial type of mentality. That's so primitive.
5. Some are primitive because they still thinking the color of your skin somehow makes another human being superior or inferior over the other. The fact that MOST Trinis I have personally met classify themselves as "other" and not simply "Black" (as an example) shows how primitive their mindset is. Anything is good but "Black" so let's pull the "mixing" card that works wonderfully.
6. Seeing how some people eat in public places is just disgusting. They go straight to eat without washing their hands first and when they eat they must suck their fingers while doing it!
Though we are one country, everybody have they own side, referring to the group of people they associate with and depending on where that side is, that is the same behaviour that is exhibited. We all know there are groups who are clannish, or groups who are bold face, and there are many who are primitive, relating to their behaviour and their character. The clannish person can be primitive and the bold face can also be primitive!
The primitive are not the majority in any sense and I do believe T&T has a lot to learn if only they (the primitive) would drop their false beliefs and live to their full potential. The primitive exists on all sides and as I am here in America, to be primitive is still a value regarding false beliefs, bad behaviour and no character.
I am saying being primitve exists in all cultures and T&T is but a small microcosm of the larger world. If you put garbage in a perfumed box and tie it with a nice bow, is still garbage and that exists everywhere!
Can we drop that cheap cop out line of "It exists everywhere else"? I mean what is the purpose of Discussion if everything ends in "It happens everywhere else too". Drugs happen everywhere, but should it? These people are primitive more so because the attitudes, behavior and culture as described with this Thread are MORE commonly found just walking the streets in Trinidad than most places. You want an example? If I walk down the street now I can guarantee you I will find the following in 10 minutes: a drunk, a vagrant, someone asking me for money, limers and someone that looks like a pusher... come on, this is a SMALL island, we should not be seeing these things as part of normal life - we should be better than that.
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|I am saying being primitve exists in all cultures and T&T is but a small microcosm of the larger world.|
|I've heard that the reason the country of Trinidad & Tobago is backward in so many things is because the thinking or mindset of the people is Primitive where they still live in the days of slavery|
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When I read the original post I wondered if Gossip was a plant. Someone purposely planted by the administrators to play devil's advocate just to get on people's nerves. I wondered if she is a real person.
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