Self-denial Or Narcicism
Well the topic title is self-evident and I always wondered which one is the worse extreme.
Keywords: Narcissism (correct spelling), Narcisism
I think extreme narcissism is worse because it implies complete selfishness which is harmful to people other than the narcissist. Extreme self denial is harmful to the individual but doesn't necessary harm others, except in their loss of you as a whole and healthy person.
Neither self-denial nor narcissism is necessarily good or bad in and of itself. The results of exercising them to a greater or lesser extent depends on their strengths relative to the balance of all other factors in an individual's mental make up, which includes temperament, intelligence, and character.
Self-denial may be nothing more than a constructive altruism that works to the benefit of others and is considered a positive characteristic.
Narcissism is necessary to the extent that it serves the instinct of self-preservation, and only when it is exercised at the expense of all other characteristics and concerns, overriding normative care for others, does it become disablingly pathological.
The mark of a well-rounded personality is balance in all things, with no one characteristic having so much weight that it obscures other characteristics that prevent the integration of the personality as a whole.
As Kung Fu Chi was heard to remark, "Evil is too much or too little."
Edited: CapnMoroni on 18th Oct, 2006 - 2:19am
Well yes but the question was, "Which is the worse in the extreme.?" Self denial in the extreme is more than constructive altruism because if we can't take care of ourselves first, then we will not be able to take care of others. If exercised at the expense of all other characteristics and concerns, as you say, which in your opinion is worse?
I think Narcissism is worst because of the same reasons Valla explained. I think both of them are bad, but the narcissist is so focus on himself/herself that it affects those around him/her. By the other hand, it seems like the person who suffers of self-denial tends to serve others more and forgetting herself.
Self-denial can in itself, be a form or narcissism. I believe that in many cases this is the case. One often becomes engrossed with how much he denies himself, how much he goes with out, and in many cases, how pious he has thus become. Thus self-denial and narcism are not necessarily opposites, but are simply on different plains.
Ultimately, this means that narcism is the worse of extremes between the two because narcism can encompass both, then it becomes a trait that can effect many different types of people. Self denial for the purpose of being seen as someone who denies self is incredibly narcissistic and lacks the principles that make self-denial beneficial.
Well the reason I placed this topic on the board, is because I am accused of extreme self-denial. I work on Amnesty stuff for hours on end and my self-denial can amount to human rights violations on my part. Because of school, I don't work so much on it, but in the summer I worked for an average of 12 hours straight, from June to August.
I hope self-denial in this case is not construed as narccisim. "Oh,look how altrusic I am, so I am wonderful".
Comments: Narcissism has to be the worst between the two. Nothing worst that being around a person so full of themselves.