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My issue with medical marijuana is that I think only a few benefit from it, the rest use it as an excuse to get high specially lds members who are aware of how the church feels about it.

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Name: Nathan

Comments: The nature of doctrinal discussion boards in regards to specific questions are just that, boards for discussion. We would be doing ourselves a great injustice if any of us were to claim to have the right answer as to your question and your friends stance.

The reason we can not produce a correct answer is because, we have not the authority, nor the capability. As the marijuana use in general (as a legal prescription, illegal recreational use, smoked, ingested, etc.), only the Lord can say "acceptable" or "not acceptable". No two individuals are exactly alike, hence the term "individual". Their circumstances will be different, and their hearts will be different. Thus, what is applicable to them is up to the Lord.

No one here is a Bishop/Branch President, and even if someone on this board were, we are certainly not your friend's Bishop. That answer from the Lord, saying "yey or nay" will come through his Bishop. My Bishop does not have the divine mantle or right to revelation in order to make judgements on your friend. Just as his Bishop can not receive revelation regarding someone's ultimate worthiness in my ward. I was brought into a disciplinary council for sexual trangression, in which the Lord came to the decision that I was to be put on a probation. My Stake President, in a final warning to me, told me of how he had been commanded by the Lord to excommunicate brethren for the viewing of pornography. It is all in what the Lord decides for that specific individual.

I will close by attaching a quote from Dallin H. Oaks that was given at a 2005 CES Fireside from Oakland, CA. I watched this as a missionary and I have never forgotten the principle taught therein. This is in regards to dating, but it is a blanket principle that should be applied to every counsel ever given. Particularly those who have posted responses to this question regarding marijuana as a medicine, please read this, re-read it, and then re-read it. Take it to heart, memorize it so that you shout it in your sleep! The quote is as follows:

Source 1: Source 7

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In my humble opinion, prescription drugs are needed but also addictive! They are needed so that us that take them can attempt to live a normal life of happiness and joy.
There are good ones and there are terrible ones. I have had my share of both! I have been on ones that have literally robbed my life of several years. However, when the brain is broke, you will try about anything that your Dr prescribes to you.

In regards to MM (Medical Marijuana), the LDS church DOES NOT..., I REPEAT DOES NOT have a OFFICIAL position on this matter. The brethren of the church have not come out on a position about this. Therefore, it comes down to what you believe it right and wrong. For those of you that do not or have not been personally affected by depression and or anxiety then you do not have empathy or us that do.

As with almost anything..., too much of something is never good! Therefore, it is good to pig out become overweight and sedater and still hold yourself worthy? Also, is it ok, NOT to eat, thus becoming weak, light minded and unclear? The answer is NO! This also falls in line with the Word of Wisdom. We are taught and we should not smoke, drink etc etc! This is to keep us away from the harmful effects of these drugs but also to not harm our bodies!

Therefore, can anyone find any good reason to put alcohol into your blood steam, the answer is NO! Is there any benefit of putting smoke in your body? The answer is NO!
Now, in regards to prescription meds.., do you have any idea the amount of damage that these drugs have done to my liver, kidneys, brain cells etc! The answer is A TON! I have tried all types of herbs and alternative medicine. I even go on a regular basis to get acupuncture from old HS football injuries.

If you really take a NON-BIAS look at hemp.., you will find this! It has been around almost forever. It is a herb. It has medicinal properties WITHOUT changing its compound structure or altering its molecules. It is and was used for many different reasons before outlawed. However, the USA Govt has banned this substance for personal use. It became a street drug and linked to organized crime. Within the last decade it has been legalized within approx 11 states! Therefore, those that have LEGITIMATE MEDICAL CONDITIONS can UNDER LOCAL LAWS receive a MM card and purchase the product for consumption. This MM drugs has and continues to be a NATURAL remedy for so many people that suffer! Technology has made it possible to be able to consume it without smoking it. You can now use a vaporizer or eat the product. This product delivers much relief to those that suffer so much and have had it with pharmaceutical drugs.

Therefore, I firmly believe that UNDER A DR supervision, LEGALLY, in moderation and not being smoked is completely fine to consume! It is NOT against the Word of Wisdom unless abused! Let me restate that this goes for ANYTHING that is being abused in our lives,, weather it be food, Caffeine, internet etc etc! The problem with MM is that it has developed a bad rep and used in a way to just "Get high"!

Lastly..., when I get home and night and take my daily dose of Klonopin...(Narcotic).., do you honestly think that I believe that drug is going to keep me out of the temple or that God is mad at me for taking something that is so much helping me? Come on people! Are you going to go into surgery and not ask for anesthetic ? Are you going to come out of surgery and refrain from taking that Dr. Prescription for Vicotin to the pharmacy? The fact of the matter is that you want relief from your pain!

Folks.., everything in moderation. Lastly.., once the church and IF the church comes out on a OFFICIAL position then it is up to us as LDS Saints to listen and obey!
However.., we are taught to obey the laws of the land! Obtain guidance from a Dr and use best judgment when it comes to anything we take into our bodies!

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Probably one of my favorite discussions..

I used to smoke pot. A LOT of pot. Its not a drug. Drugs are chemically enhanced to produce an effect. Whether its the hydrocodine that your mom uses for her back spasms that she takes 3 a day and drives back and forth to work on. Caffine is a drug and so is alcohol. Caffine, according to the chemical structure, is VERY closely related to another drug that common...cocaine, which will kill you if you ingest too much. Caffine, nicotine, and cocaine are chemically addicting. Pot is not. You can get addicted to the feeling of being high...but you will not go through withdrawls from not smoking.

You cant say that anyone who smokes pot is bad. There are a number of people(I would know, I used to be one) who smoke everyday and still manage to get up, go to work, make a living, and survive. Carl Sagan was an American astronomer, astrophysicist, author, cosmologist, and highly successful popularizer of astronomy, astrophysics and other natural sciences. Michael Phelps won several gold medals. Morgan Freeman? Thomas Jefferson? They all smoked pot.


Marihuana, is a plant. It grows naturally and if you eat it, smoke it, however you ingest it, the THC(the chemical that is NATURALLY in it) gives the user the physic high.

It was banned waay back in the day(in the USA at least), just as alcohol was. During the prohibition of alcohol...people still drank. Thats where NASCAR came from..

Now, notice how I said at the beginning of my post "used" to smoke. I do not anymore. The reason I admire pot is the fact that it is a CHOICE. Choice... Something the universe is founded upon. Something our Heavenly Father believes in.

I believe Marijuana isnt right for everyone. It doesnt do the same thing to everyone. I'm not saying its okay for some people and not okay for other people to smoke it. I believe its illegal for wrong reasons and I don't think it should even be illegal. It doesnt kill people. I'm not saying its right. Its been a part of my past and I feel that a lot of people judge it wrongly. I put it in the same boat as alcohol, keeping in mind that if you drink too much, you will die and you can smoke alldayallweek, eat everything in your house, sleep for 12 hours a day and still survive.

I don't smoke anymore because I have found out that you can NOT hold a temple reccomend if you do. I believe going to the temple is worth more eternally than smoking pot. If I wasnt a member of the church, I'm afraid to admit that I would smoke it regularly. But then again, I could go about my daily chores stoned and no one would ever know.

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It is considered a drug and if you're caught with it you will be going to jail unless you have a prescription so thats really a very open opinion of yours.

No, but we call them pot heads for a reason. It has been proven that smoking pot have lots of undesirable effects upon the brain. The thing is how do people who smoke pot always say thats it doesnt affect their brain IF they're smoking it? You know what am I saying? Makes no sense to me.

Yeah, the same one also who was an agnostic and believed in alien invasions?

Yeah and his reputation was absolutely damaged by that picture it was taken of him. His sponsors dropped him and he was even caught driving under the influence. Example? No way.

Yeah, the one dating his stepdaughter? Yikes.

You and I know there is no irrefutable proof he did.

Admire? What a funny adjective to describe pot. How do you exactly admire it?

Wow, so you have no medical conditions and you would just smoke pot for the "high" it gives you? What was/would be lacking in your life to be able to have that need?

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I'll try and attempt to answer all the questions you asked..


Yes SuzieSu, It IS considered a drug here in the United States. It is undergoing de-criminalization in some states for medical use. When I said it wasnt a drug, you're right, that is my "very open opinion." We're on this board to express just that.

As for all my examples of "potheads," the only one I'll attempt to defend is Thomas Jefferson, even though I like to think Morgan Freeman has the voice of God sometimes . You're right...I did not actually see him toke with my own eyes, but I seem to remember reading somewhere that he had wrote in one of his journals something to the effect of.."Some of my fondest memories is sitting on my back porch smoking cannabis." I was actually led to believe that quite a few of our founding fathers smoked cannabis(what it was referred to back then). I might be wrong. If I am then somebody please correct me.

SuzieSu, I'm sorry but ADMIRE is not an adjective. Its a verb in that sentence, but I get your point. Marijuana is part of my past and I feel impressed that it will be part of our future as time goes on. The US is on a ''slippery slope'' so to speak. A full blown out legalization of marijuana for ''medicinal'' use will cause more people to openly abuse it. I used to have really bad headaches. I would smoke to help me deal with the pain. I smoked because I wanted to smoke. That was the CHOICE I made. Its the decisive part of the process that I admire. The agency we have to say yes or no. I don't LOVE pot. I liked the taste. I liked the smell. I also liked the effect it produced. It relaxed me. And I had fun while doing it. It brought me and my friends closer and made for some good times and good laughs. I like to think it attuned me to the world but that might be stretching it a little. Now I like to attune myself to the spirit. Something I think is worth a little more.

And to your last comment, I would ask you not to judge me, but I feel as if you already have. Its your "holier than thou" and narrow minded views of decisions I've made in my past that make me feel bad about coming out about my past use. You are the reason I wont stand up in front of the pulpit on testimony meetings and say "I've smoked pot and liked it" and then explain how I don't do it anymore and why I don't. People will judge me and shun me away and I'll go back to becoming inactive again.



A little of topic of this post but I remember reading in this fourm that they had the chemical found in marijuana for use but no one used it and he didn't know why. The chemical is THC or delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol. Its available in pill form, but people don't use it because it'll make them throw up. For some reasons the high concentrated amount will cause you to throw up. If you take the stems and boil them in water, making a ''weed tea''. If you don't to it right you'll have a very high concentration of THC in the water and when you drink it, you'll throw up later on. This is the same effect the pill has.

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Great I just wanted to make sure we were in the same page.

I would love a link or a source for that journal entry if you happen to have it.

Thats what I don't get about your point of view (even though you're making it personal when it isn't) you know what am I saying? What is there to feel impressed about it? If is part of your past, why then don't bury it and move on?

So basically you didn't have a need. You had headaches that probably could have been cure using other meds?. It seems to me you did it because of taste and because it was "fun".

Who is judging who really? I asked questions in that last statement. You didn't answer them.

Please, do not project your insecurities on me you know what am I saying?. If you spend a few hours on this site you will realize that my views arent typical and definetely I ain't holier than thou.

However I share my views just the way I see it so don't try to blame me from your CHOICE of not standing in front of the pulpit and say you smoked pot and you liked it (which if I was present I would find extremely odd, after all how exactly do you share a testimony about pot?).

You assume a lot about people, maybe thats something you should consider. Honestly, I don't judge you for your past choices and even if they were your present choices I wouldn't. I am glad you are attending Church and I hope you continue doing so. Testimony is based on the Gospel and the Savior for me, not in what people think about your use of marijuana.

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Name: Peabo

Comments: Just turned in my TR because I finally came clean about Cannabis.
Been my friend for nearly 30 years after I was neglected and abused as a child. Research shows that I have a likely Serotonin imbalance because of the trauma during development etc...The people I have met in my life say that I am probably THE smartest person they have EVER met....Mensa member, entrepreneur, father of 4, High Priest etc... Listen folks, the gospel is true, big business and the gov't systematically lie and manipulate the populace (Political Science degree as well)
If it were not for the racial and commercial components of Cannabis prohibition it would have remained a legitimate tool in the pharmacological tool kit as it was when the church was restored. Right there with chickory, dandelion, honeysuckle and the rest. Our current society is comprised of aberration upon aberration. Doesn't anyone get it? Christ was lawfully crucified....He was a convicted felon (sedition). If he was a current church member he would be necessarily excommunicated according to accepted church practice. Yet he lived a sinless life. If that doesn't put the "Law" in its proper context then nothing does. In the end, take responsibility for your actions. You know already in your heart if you are forthright....long before you "sin" (unacceptable) or "transgress" (acceptable but with risks/downsides). All the other talk is either weak minded sheepy nonsense or Pharisee like adherence to the "Law"....and we know which side of the fence the Lord is on with respect to that.

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