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Robert Morey Questions Islam - Studies of Islam - Posted: 27th Jun, 2007 - 7:17pm
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Robert Morey Questions Islam
Robert Morey Questions Islam
These are not my conclusions but they are questions and answers that a person by the name of Robert Morey came up with for the basis or concept of "Allah". I suppose that such pronouncement would deal him the same faith as Rushdie, but I have put it here for the analysis of our Muslim Members:
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The outline below contains the very answers to the very questions Muhammad did not want his followers to know, namely that Islam is a sanitized version of ancient polytheistic moon worship which he invented to exercise military control. 1. Does the Qur"an define the word "Allah"? No. 2. Was the name "Allah" revealed for the first time in the Qur"an? No 3. Does the Qur"an assume that its readers have already heard of "Allah"? Yes 4. Should we look into pre-Islamic Arabian history to see who "Allah" was before Muhammad? Yes. 5. According to Muslim tradition, was Muhammad born into a Christian family and tribe? No 6. Was he born into a Jewish family or tribe? No 7. What religion was his family and tribe? Pagans 8. What was the name of his pagan father? Abdullah (Abd + Allah) 9. Did Muhammad participate in the pagan ceremonies of Mecca? Yes 10. Did the Arabs in pre-Islamic times worship 360 gods? Yes 11. Did the pagans Arabs worship the sun, moon and the stars? Yes 12. Did the Arabs built temples to the Moon-god? Yes 13. Did different Arab tribes give the Moon-god different names/titles? Yes 14. What were some of the names/titles? Sin, Hubul, Ilumquh, Al-ilah. 15. Was the title "al-ilah" (the god) used of the Moon-god? Yes 16. Was the word "Allah" derived from "al-ilah?" Yes 17. Was the pagan "Allah" a high god in a pantheon of deities? Yes. 18. Was he worshipped at the Kabah? Yes. 19. Was Allah only one of many Meccan gods? Yes 20. Did they place a statue of Hubul on top of the Kabah? Yes. 21. At that time was Hubul considered the Moon-god? Yes. 22. Was the Kabah thus the "house of the Moon-god"? Yes. 23. Did the name "Allah" eventually replace that of Hubul as the name of the Moon god? Yes. 24. Did they call the Kabah the "house of Allah"? Yes 25. Did the pagans develop religious rites in connection with the worship of their gods? Yes. 26. Did the pagans practice the Pilgrimage, the Fast of Ramadan, running around the Kabah seven times, kissing the black stone, shaving the head, animal sacrifices, running up and down two hills, throwing stones at the devil, snorting water in and out the nose, praying several times a day toward Mecca, giving alms, Friday prayers, etc.? Yes. 27. Did Muhammad command his followers to participate in these pagan ceremonies while the pagans were still in control of Mecca? Yes (Yusuf Ali, fn. 214, pg. 78). 28. Did Islam go on to adopt these pagan religious rites? Yes. (Yusuf Ali: fn. 223 pg. 80). 29. Were al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat called "the daughters of Allah"? Yes. 30. Did the Qur"an at one point tell Muslims to worship al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat? Yes. In Surah 53:19-20. 31. Have those verses been "abrogated" out of the present Qur"an? Yes. 32. What were they called? "The Satanic Verses." Yes. 33. Was the crescent moon an ancient pagan symbol of the Moon-god throughout the ancient world? Yes. 34. Was it the religious symbol of the Moon-god in Arabia? Yes 35. Were stars also used as pagan symbols of the daughers of Allah? Yes 36. Did the Jews or the Christians of Arabia use the crescent moon with several stars next to it as symbols of their faith? No 37. Did Islam adopt the pagan crescent moon and stars as it religious symbol? Yes. 38. As Islam developed over the centuries, did it adopt pagan names, pagan ceremonies, pagan temples and pagan symbols? Yes 39. Is it possible that most Muslims do not know the pagan sources of the symbols and rites of their own religion? Yes. 40. Are they shocked to find out the true sources of their ceremonies and stories? Yes 41. Can Islam be the religion of Abraham if it is derived from paganism? No 42. What then is Islam? A modern version of one of the ancient fertility cults. 43. Is the "Allah" of the Qur"an, the Christian God of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? No 44. Do the Jews say that the Muslim "Allah" is their God too? No 45. Then whose god is Allah? Paganism |
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Post Date: 24th Jun, 2007 - 1:17am / Post ID: #
Islam Questions Morey Robert
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| I suppose that such pronouncement would deal him the same faith as Rushdie |
Salman Rushdie and Robert morey are two separate with key legal differences. Rushdie was an apostate and deliberately went out of his way to insult and offend Mohammad and muslims. His book caused a lot of damage to the sentiments of muslims.
Robert Morey isnt an apostate. His research is baseless and arguments are ridiculous. But I dont think they amount to deliberate mocking or insulting muslims.
I dont really have time to answer all the questions in the quote. Looking at the site and the historical sources that they use it is amazing that anyone takes them seriously.
JB:
If you want to discuss a specific issue brought up in the article you will have to narrow it down to a specific point. 45 questions are too many to deal with.
Post Date: 27th Jun, 2007 - 7:17pm / Post ID: #
Islam Questions Morey Robert
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| Actually, the point he is trying to make , whether baseless or with fact, is #45 which is a sum of the rest. The 44 preceding questions is just his method of reaching the conclusion of #45, understand? |
I see. So does this mean that I just need to disporve one point to disprove the whole argument? Nevertheless ill address as many as possible.
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| 7. What religion was his family and tribe? Pagans |
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| 8. What was the name of his pagan father? Abdullah (Abd + Allah) |
His immediate family ie mother, grandfather etc were known worshippers of Allah in a strict monotheist sense. There are some early muslim reports which ascribed paganism to them. However these are most likely fabrications by the enemies of Islam. The most reliable sources e.g. Dehlawi and Suyuti confirm that the Prophets ancestors were pure monotheists.
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| 9. Did Muhammad participate in the pagan ceremonies of Mecca? Yes |
This I have never heard before. Accurate history tells us that even as a young boy Mohammad detested the meccan idols and pagan worship and remained aloof from them.
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| 15. Was the title "al-ilah" (the god) used of the Moon-god? Yes |
Robery Morey is cleverly misleading people here. He is trying to set a foundation for proving Allah as the name of a moongod. "Ilah" or "ilah" is a term actually used by the Arabs at the time for all dieties since it simply means "god". There This is perhaps from the hebrew/aramaic word for god "Elah".
Hence al-ilah or "the god" is simply a name every tribe used for their god (not just for the moongod). He even admits this on the same website
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| The moon god was also referred to as "al-ilah". This is not a proper name of a single specific god, but a generic reference meaning "the god". Each local pagan Arab tribe would refer to their own local tribal pagan god as "al-ilah". |
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| 23. Did the name "Allah" eventually replace that of Hubul as the name of the Moon god? Yes |
Wrong! I have seen Robert Moreys pamphlet trying to prove this and it is just plain deception. The biggest problem that this theory suffers from is an incident in history in which Sufyan the pagan meccan leader invokes Hubal and is rebuked by Mohammad using Allah hence clearly establishing that they are not one and the same.
https://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/h...tml#004.052.276
I think I have done enough to refute this argument.
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| 45. Then whose god is Allah? Paganism |
I pity the poor soul who believes this.
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