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Yeah, I'm very familiar with the quote. I actually fully agree with it. The point I was trying to make is that if the Church counsels us to abstain from something then it must be something really important if not why bother? Our Youth specially is wasting way too much time on these sort of hobbies instead of going out there and serve people.

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I wonder if those who are adamantly against face cards are also against playing Old Maid and some of the other games I listed. The time wasting can apply to any interest or activity and if one is not gambling, other games are the same as face card games.

That is why I consider the doctrine at best to be a model like the WoW though in this case shot through with much personal opinion. Apostles such as BRM and JFS had a lot of personal opinion published in their non-official works which is why those works were rejected by the Church as unsanctionable. However, many quotes and ideas from those works have made it into official LDS published works which is not necessarily a problem because most of it is good stuff anyway.

Card playing is not intrinsically against any major foundational LDS principles/doctrines like Socialism/Communism and the welfare state, for example, are. So it comes down to time wasting and gambling which are in opposition to moral doctrines. I suppose if one took this card-playing doctrine at face value only and not in the spirit of the law, one should be eliminating all hobbies, interests, and entertainment from one's life. I don't believe the Gospel is that puritanical.

Call it justification if you will, but I'll run with it confidently.

Edited: bcspace on 20th Jul, 2011 - 6:58pm

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I said it earlier on this thread and I'll say it again. Elder Oaks said playing these sort of cards "has come under condemnation". He's an Apostle of the Lord. Enough said.

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Fair enough. From the November 1972 Ensign:

I highly disagree with him on the bolded part. But I understand the reasoning and how it works for some people. However, I go with the spirit of the law on this one and to me it simply means no gambling etc. No one in my family associates face cards (not specifically mentioned in the article) with gambling.

Is he saying that Old Maid or Pit or Uno are also forbbiden? Why or why not? What about Monopoly? Life? Settlers? What about hours reading and posting on discussion boards like these as we all seem to do?

I think most are wise enough to discern but if someone thinks they might have a problem with it, by all means, stay away.

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But he is an Apostle of the Lord, shouldn't we listen to his counsel and try our best to follow?

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No casino, no lottery, yet gambling pervasive in Utah

State lawmakers have worked to make Utah an island in sea of government-sanctioned gambling coast to coast. Ref. Source 6

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Comments: If its not for actual money then there is no difference between any card game and monopoly or other games where you actually simulate money. Its just a game people. If someone wants to see more than that they have a problem.

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James, are you suggesting we should disregard the counsel of our Lord's servants? Sorry but between choosing to follow our leaders and an internet stranger I rather choose our leaders.