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This thread is NOT specifically about Iraq, the USA, or Afghanistan. It is about Osama Bin Laden himself and the views of the Middle Eastern world about him. Share your views.
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27th Jun, 2011 - 2:01am / Post ID: #

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Sarwar:

It wasnt the US and its allies that assembled the militants to fight against the USSR. They were supported (conditionally) by the US as we support nothing unconditionally. Please note how the militants did not recieve all the tools in the US arsenal. However, the US supported Mujahideen in Afghanistan against the USSR. Al-qaeda was formed by this time, but the US was not funneling money and weapons to Al-qaeda's goals. It was funneling money and weapons to the mujahideen (of which Al-qaeda was part of and not the majority). At the time of the Afghan war against the USSR, Al-qaeda was very secret and not known of...we only find out now due to some notes from meetings with Azzam that mention Al-qaeda. Al-qaeda's agenda was also greatly different at this time and not nearly as anti-western, but you could see where rules could start to be bent this way later after he spent great amounts of time in Sudan. It is in Sudan where he sends Al-qaeda into a more anti-western route with his time in the Egyptian Islamic Jihad. But make no mistake, you will find no newspaper talking about us supporting Al-qaeda or Osama Bin Laden from that time period...PERIOD. Al-qaeda was not known to the US government at that time or thought to be just a minor player in the group that was against the USSR.

Bin Laden declared war agains the US back in '96 for occupying what he said was two sacred places - aluding to the US supporting the Saudi government and Mubarrak in Egypt. The US government turned on Bin Laden with his attempted assassination of Mubarrak and supported Bin Laden's ouster from Sudan. Now, had Bin Laden kept Al-qaeda as the same organization that it was in Afghanistan fighting the USSR, it wouldn't have been practicing the same agenda as the Egyptian Islamic Jihad. It was Bin Laden that changed the course of Al-qaeda in a direction that could not be supported by the US.

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But now when Al-qaeda has a diifferent motto then US has become against it.


As you can see, the support is not unconditional by your own statement. When we give money and support, it is nearly impossible for us to direct it exactly. Which is why today, we have lost billions in aid to Iraq. We honestly have no idea where it went...but we know it went somewhere. The thought is that it was actually funneled to the very insurgents that we are fighting right now and some of it when to the pockets of a few corrupt government officials...irony. Today in Libiya, we suspect that some of the insurgents against Gadaffi are actually Al-qeada and we cannot insure that our aide doesnt end up in their hands. It isn't surprising as Al-qaeda isn't, by design, meant to be seen much...only their actions.

The US has absolutely every right to be against Al-qaeda as they changed their motto when they took on a more Egyptian Islamic Jihad agenda. The USA supported Russia during WWII and had every right to be against them following the war. Sometimes we have friends in childhood that end up not being our friends later in life...we all have the right to review our friends and change them out as we please...countries are no different. Can this appear hypocritical at times and from different points of view...certainly...but it is their perrogative. However, this kind of thinking does shed light on why we shall never see peace in the middle east. Basically, if you never got along...you should never get along.

Reconcile Edited: Vincenzo on 27th Jun, 2011 - 2:09am



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U.S. Threatens Pakistan over access to bin Laden's wives:

The United States is threatening to cut off aid to Pakistan unless it is given access to the wives of Osama bin Laden. Ref. Source 8

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Bush Credits 'The Work That Was Done' During 'My Presidency' For Osama Bin Laden's Death:

The reality, of course, is that Bush's attempts to capture or kill bin Laden were huge failures. Ref. Source 7

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US officials were 'threatening' after Osama raid

Husain Haqqani: Describing his stint in Washington as a "thankless assignment", Pakistan's former envoy to the US Husain Haqqani on Tuesday said American officials were "intransigent and even threatening" after the May 2 raid that killed Osama bin Laden. Ref. Source 2

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Bin Laden's Body Taken To US: Statfor
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Secret emails sent by American based intelligence company Stratfor, give rise to growing speculation the US military did not dispose of Osama Bin Laden's body at sea. Ref. Source 9

5th Mar, 2012 - 10:26pm / Post ID: #

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There was so much speculation about the whole bin Laden assassination so I'm not surprised this is coming up now. I was actually surprised when they said they buried him at sea, I thought that was weird.



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Pentagon says it has no records of bin Laden's death

The Pentagon said it could not find any death certificate, autopsy report or results of DNA identification tests for bin Laden, or any pre-raid materials discussing how the government planned to dispose of bin Laden's body if he were killed. Ref. Source 3

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"Killing Bin Laden is the end of the War on Terror"

Is the War on Terror over? That sure seems to be what the Obama administration would have us believe. After all, since Osama Bin Laden was taken out by SEAL Team Six, there has been little attention given to the real threats posed to America by radical Islamist groups. But the American people know we aren't facing an "Arab Spring" but an Islamist Winter with dangerous consequences for the U.S. And our greatest ally, Israel. Erick Stakelbeck - GBTV contributor, host of CBN's Stakelbeck on Terror show and author of the book, The Terrorist Next Door: How the Government is Deceiving You About the Islamist Threat Ref. Source 5

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