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This thread is NOT specifically about Iraq, the USA, or Afghanistan. It is about Osama Bin Laden himself and the views of the Middle Eastern world about him. Share your views.
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7th Mar, 2003 - 11:09pm / Post ID: #

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[quote]@LDS_forever: Everyone is going to think you are from the Taliban *LOL* There must be a good thing you like about the US? [/quote]

1) Taco Bell  :taco

2) Mc Donalds  ;) yeah, they closed for good here in Trinidad!, trinidadians are not hamburger people! >:(

2) Taco Bell :taco

3) Did I say Taco Bell? :taco  :P

YES!!! TACO BELLLLL!!!!!!!!  ;D



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7th Mar, 2003 - 11:24pm / Post ID: #

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[quote]Have you ever been here?
We are a truly blessed nation. We are rich, have soooo many wonderful things, it's easy, far too easy, to be sidetracked by all our luxury.
I admit our shortcomings. But in our defense, we would love for everybody to have the magnificent blessings we have.
Better to judge on people you have met, and then you can only judge them[/quote]

Yes, I have been there for vacations and I lived there for 2 years (Maryland) that's why I say the things I'm saying!. wink.gif
Yes, the United States is a very rich country with lots of opportunities, sure thing.
Your last statement may be your opinion but when I was there, I tell ya, was not like that at all!, lol they want those blessings for everybody? look, I have met great americans, yes one that I still keeping in touch with, she's an adorable old lady who I love very much but besides her and a couple of more people the rest were a totally nightmare. Do you know what it is to go to a store to buy clothes and when you're walking around the store a old lady pass you near close and start to curse you? yeah!just like that in the middle of the store and when you reply to her the first thing she says 'why you don't go back where you come from!'! ?? *shaking head* of course having latin and italian blood on my veins my answer was: "Oh really? then you go to hell with me!!!!' LOL LOL LOL I laughed now but I was soooo upset about it, that was the first time ever I was discriminated for my background. I lived here in Trinidad, in Argentina I have never felt that way but when I was in the USA this was such a common thing and I HATE it. Just because they see you 'spanish' for them is associated with two things: 'mexicans and illegal' I have never met such a ignorant people in my life. Most of them have not travel around the world and I think that's one of the reasons. Personally, I have been in California, Utah and Arizona, three states that I really loved! but from the first time I went to Maryland I knew it was not the right place for me. People there are so different from the west!. I know what you mean stranger, and you're right. Sadly, my last experiences with americans have not been positive ones but I do have lots of american friends who are really cool ;D



Post Date: 8th Mar, 2003 - 3:25pm / Post ID: #

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You are wrong about the "..think of two things- Mexicans and illegals".

Actually we think of three Mexicans, illegals and - watch out, he's got a knife"!   ohmy.gif

Just kidding, just kidding.

Yes there is a lot of prejudice in America. We are very clannish in that way.

And I didn't mean we wanted everybody to share the wealth like we run around throwing money out our car windows.

What I meant is that we see our way of life as capable of giving everyone the opportunity to have it.

But we also believe that you get what you work for and if you don't get out and scrap for it, too bad for you.

8th Mar, 2003 - 11:18pm / Post ID: #

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[quote]
Yes there is a lot of prejudice in America. We are very clannish in that way. [/quote]

You can say that again. :smile.gif :smile.gif :smile.gif but why they want to portrait sometimes this stupid thing of 'we love all races'? It makes me sick.  :smile.gif :smile.gif :smile.gif I think that americans suffer a lot with hypocresy.

[quote]What I meant is that we see our way of life as capable of giving everyone the opportunity to have it.
But we also believe that you get what you work for and if you don't get out and scrap for it, too bad for you. [/quote]

But that's it. Sometimes they don't give ya the opportunity! any spanish woman for instance that goes to the USA to work the first job they will offer is as a maid...why???? because there is this concept of spanish women being maid! but HELLOOOO...there are lots of educated spanish women who are lawyers or journalists like me and we deserved just like anybody else to be treated with respect. Americans have too many sterotypes on people and that's wrong. I remember going to a hospital one day and the assistant (an american girl) when she saw me started speaking to me in a pretty good spanish, I answer her in english (I do believe I need to speak the language of the country I am in) she continue speaking to me in spanish and I continued answer her in english. After a long while she realized that I speak english. Yeah, it's not perfect but I do can establish a normal conversation ;D She started apologizing by saying that most spanish people that go there don't speak english. Now, isn't better to ask me first if I do? second, I'm speaking her in english...isn't that a clue? :smile.gif :smile.gif :smile.gif
Just like people in Utah are not the same like people in NYC, Argentinians are not the same as Mexicans. We are all different and we all have different cultures. I really hope americans can see that one day!



Post Date: 9th Mar, 2003 - 11:36am / Post ID: #

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I completely agree.
Americans (and people of all nations) suffer a lot from hypocrisy. I roll my eyes daily over it. It is amusing to me, because it is so unnecessary.

As for the 'not being given the opportunity".
WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD!!!

I once gave a lecture at a predominantly black college where the theme of job discrimination was the most mentioned thing by the students.

I will tell you what I told them.

Yes, there is job discrimination. There always will be.
It is NOT because you are black, it is NOT because you are a woman.
IT IS BECAUSE YOU ARE THERE!!!
I have endured it every working day of my life.
Entreprenural capitalism is a competitive, cut-throat world of sharks, where everyone with ambition is trying to get as much as they can, and if you get into it, you will get no sympathy, be shown no mercy, be given no breaks.
If you whine about it, then get out. No one is going to help you.
The only people who "make it" in a capitilistic economy are the hardest-driving, most determined, most cutthroat of the sharks (i.e., Bill Gates)
Those are the facts, and no idealistic, socialistic, softhearted wishful thinking will ever make it otherwise.

There are women, there are blacks, there are black women, who have become Billionaires in that world. Do like they did and you will become one of them.

Sit around whining, and you will remain- sitting around and whining.

I am not trying to be ugly in saying this. It is simply an observation I have made as one who has had to work in that environment all my life. Well most of it.

9th Mar, 2003 - 3:24pm / Post ID: #

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Very good speech Stranger... I give you an A+ on that. Everyone wants to sit on their butts and complain.

What I want to know though... how did they take it?



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9th Mar, 2003 - 3:47pm / Post ID: #

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[quote]Entreprenural capitalism is a competitive, cut-throat world of sharks, where everyone with ambition is trying to get as much as they can, and if you get into it, you will get no sympathy, be shown no mercy, be given no breaks.
If you whine about it, then get out. No one is going to help you.
The only people who "make it" in a capitilistic economy are the hardest-driving, most determined, most cutthroat of the sharks (i.e., Bill Gates)
Those are the facts, and no idealistic, socialistic, softhearted wishful thinking will ever make it otherwise. [/quote]

*sighs* that's why I'm going to live and die 'poor'...I cannot think about cutting anybody's throat. I'm just not that type.



Post Date: 9th Mar, 2003 - 4:48pm / Post ID: #

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JB,
To my surprise, they understood me.
It was a class of very bright young people who were in Desktop Publishing, and most were eager to make something of themselves anyway.

Cold water did not discourage them, but gave them a much clearer focus on how to get where they wanted to go.

And it wasn't a speech. Like most things I do, it was completely off-the-cuff, a spontaneous- but blunt- answer to the conversation of the moment.


 
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