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G.I Jane
I was not lecturing, and my comment about not answering or replying to non US citizens was not meant as a snub. As I stated the majority of the world gets a distorted view of how America works and do not understand our politics. But thanks for taking my comment out of context. Second, My opinion if it was not obvious is I agree with the travel band. It is not a violation of our rights we vote for our policy makers and these are the policies they enact and enforce on our behalf, speaking for us as we ask them to. Third, Castro is extremely hostile towards the US (old Grudges) the travel band was meant to force policy change in Cuba. Obviously it did not work and will not work untill Castro is out or gone for good. The greater good of the US is more important than another vacation spot. Especially in this day and age espionage is a real threat as it was back then Castro and his mineons would do what ever it takes to hurt or destroy American citizens or America. The travel band in my opinion is a tool not a good one but what else are we to do. I understand what this forum is about and my reply was appropriate I think.

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I do not think I took your comment out of context. Also your sarcasm is not appreciated. If you want sarcasm, believe me, I can give it right back. The point was, to me, your post was more a lecture than an opinion. That is why I responded as I did. It is then your right and priviledge to clarify your position. That is what a discussion is.

When you make a comment to exclude a segment of this forum's members, such as you did regarding "non-Americans" I will call you on it. Then you can clarify what you meant, which is what you did. Sorry that I cannot read your mind and find out what you meant by particular words, I can only read the ones you post.

Thank you for clarifying your position. I believe I now have an understanding of how you feel on this subject. I did not have that understanding from your first post.

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It seems you have some hostility towards my posts, but you in your post time and again mention LAW, the law and change and the law not being fare, your rights being infringed upon because we live in a Democracy and it is not right that our government would prohibit travel to Cuba this being a Democracy and all. Freedom to travel where we want. This is wrong for a couple of reasons the most important being the common misunderstanding that the US government is a Democracy when in fact it is a Republic governed by represenatives of the people not the majority rule which is the common characteristic of a Democracy. Our republic was established to protect its people from the inherent threats to freedom that a true Democracy poses. (the majority imposing its beliefs on the minority) This way the minority have a voice also .

As to Cuba it is still a threat to the US and its people not to mention its own people and to travel to Cuba and contribute to its economy or Castro's wallet is irresponsible at best, he uses his power to quiet voices of decent he imprisons opposition and executes them with out regard for anything but his own wants. Americans or anyone traveling to Cuba are and would be contributing to the suppression and torture and jailing of an entire country of peoples. So our representatives have decided it is unfair and unacceptable to however unwittingly it may be, contribute to the continued suppression of the people of Cuba.

Once again it is easier to blame the US than to see that the real person responsible for the situation in Cuba is one man and one man alone< Castro. I myself trust in our republic and the decisions they make and when in Doubt I seek the next candidate with a better idea until then I myself will stand beside the decisions they make and trust that they know best.

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Not to your posts in general, but to certain things in your posts.

I am well aware of this. In fact, I raised this issue in the thread on same sex marriage when I said you couldn't just say if the majority are against it, then it must not be allowed.

However, much in a Republic is in fact based upon democratic reason. So, I do not believe it is right for the US government to prohibit my traveling any place. I believe that is a right I have that they don't have a right to limit. Also, as has already been indicated, the prohibition to travel in Cuba has not had the desired effect, so why leave it in place?

How is Cuba a threat to the US? I don't believe this is true. It may have been at one time, but now that the Soviet Union no longer exists, I don't see any threat from Cuba. Certainly not on it's own. I find it interesting that I am prohibited from going to Cuba, but not China. I believe China is a greater threat to the US.

Have you read my posts in this thread or any place else? I don't think that is a fair characterization of my position relative the the US government.

Sometimes wrong decisions are made. That is a fact. Once it was legal to own slaves in this country, now it is not. Once there was a time when women couldn't vote, they can now. I believe I can be a good citizen and still question decisions that are made. I support the decisions made in that I won't go to Cuba illegally, but that doesn't mean I need to agree with every decision made.

And by the way, in case it matters in any way, I too, am a U.S. Veteran...Marine Corps.

Edited: funbikerchick on 11th Feb, 2005 - 10:17pm

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The fact that you are an US citizen, it does not mean anything to me. This is an International forum, and believe me people have "idea" what they are talking about, so if you want to stay long in here you would have to be respectful of that. Sarcasm and cheeky statements are not welcome.

I totally agree with this statement. I do not see Cuba as a threat in any way to the US or its people and as someone pointed out if US citizens are allowed to visit China that is a bigger threat to the US, why not Cuba then?.

Offtopic but, QUOTE I understand what this forum is about If you really do, then update your profile and choose an avatar. So far, you have a guy with a question mark on his head

If you really do, then update your profile and choose an avatar. So far, you have a guy with a question mark on his head

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Personally, I would have no reason or inclination to visit Cuba, but if I ever did, I would hope that I had the ability to do so. While I understand why the restrictions were imposed in the first place, I agree that today the reasons for those restrictions are no longer applicable. My hope is during my lifetime that things will dramatically change in Cuba ( firstly with Castro out of power ) and that the US-Cuba relations are strengthened because the island seems to be a very beautiful one and there is a lot of culture there that Americans and others should be allowed to enjoy.

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If you think China is a greater threat to The US than Cuba then you are severly mistaken. But that is a different post I guess. If we allow sanctions against Cuba to go away then Castro would surely proceed with whatever plans he had many years ago He is still spouting the same rethoric as back then but now he has grown even more bitter. Korea is actively selling nuclear secrets to the Middle East and no doubt that Castro would love to get his hands on those not to mention AQkonthis guy was selling under the radar for a long period of time had relations with Castro normalized it is safe to say, He may have those secrets.

It is true that the world has changed and the Missle crisis was a long time ago, but technology has changed and a country does not have to be so obvious about there intentions. The one thing that has not changed is Castro's hatred for the US and it's people. I feel that an American of any consequence traveling to Cuba would be in grave danger or targeted for espionage recruitment. This would cause doubt and suspision of anyone going to or coming from Cuba, as for China they are not looking for a war with the US they are looking to participate more and more in the world economy and this meens they have to play nice. Soon they are going to start selling a new type of cheaper more affordable vehicle in the US so saying China is more of a danger is not at all correct they have more to gain than to lose on the other hand Castro has nothing to lose, he has no economy and does not care about that which he made all to obvious when he overthru his own government and made all foreigners leave while smashing all casino's to bits destroying businesses and the peoples lively hood so he could keep them under his thumb. Which has stayed the same and will not change for years to come eh hates us and everything we stand for.

Yes it does matter that you are a Marine that explains why you are so hostile towards my posts, after all I am just an Army dog.

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I remember reading about when Castro was allowing nukes into the country when he was allied with the Soviet Union. There is no Soviet Union today and Cuba's people continue to escape to the United States on a regular basis. Castro is an old man that has very few, if any, allies in the world today. Cuba is very little threat at all in todays world.

If you want a real threat, you should look to the east. China is communist, but have a larger army and nukes that can reach us and have an economy to back it. Im not sure how Cuba can compete with that. Also over in that area is the ally of China, North Korea. I don't think I need to mention what going on with them right now. They are also communist, have nukes that can reach us, and have a larger army and economy.

The Cuban ban, in my opinion, is nothing more than remnants of a forgotten cold war.