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Should US Americans be Allowed to Visit Cuba? Should a country tell you where you can and cannot go?
Post Date: 12th Feb, 2005 - 9:05am / Post ID: #

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Back to Cuba, the purpose of no travel and sanctions against Cuba was to force change in Castro's government. As for N.Korea their missles can not reach us and they do not have a larger Army they barely even have a Navy. Second China would not dare to risk their economy by striking the US not to mention it would be impossible to deploy such a force and even if a conflict was in China it would be near impossible to support such an Army the local civilian population at the same time. Logistically it would be a nightmare and would lead to disaster. As for Cuba right now they are no threat (sanctions) have taken them out of the world arena. Take the sanction away and Castro would prosper and continue with his old tricks.

You are right about him being old but you do not need to be young to cause havoc, you just have to have the means and the motivation. His distaste for us is no secret and nothing would please him better than to get one last kick in before he goes. Look how easy 911 was, if he had the aircraft and no one was watching we would be in grave danger from a real threat not some paranoid theory that China has nukes therefore they are a bigger threat. Both China and Korea use these nukes as a bargaining tool with no real intent to use them.

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12th Feb, 2005 - 11:14am / Post ID: #

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As for Cuba right now they are no threat (sanctions) have taken them out of the world arena. Take the sanction away and Castro would prosper and continue with his old tricks.


This is probably where we disagree the most. I do not believe sanctions had this effect on Cuba. I believe it was the collapse of communism in other parts of the world, specifically Eastern Germany and the Soviet Union, that have caused Cuba to be of no consequence or risk to the US. This is why I don't see a need for the sanctions to continue against them.


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Post Date: 12th Feb, 2005 - 8:25pm / Post ID: #

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Funbikerchic,

I do not know if you have heard this already but on the news this morning FOX is reporting that 2 american citizens are being held against their will in Cuba. After their boat broke down in Cuba's waters they were picked up by the Cuban military and are now being held by Castro. Castro refuses to speak as to where and why they are being held. Ofcourse you have to wonder as to what they were doing there and what their intentions were. I would bet that if they were not US citizens they would be of no real importance and would be helped and released. This I think is a chance for Castro to make a political statement. I would like to hear your opinion on this and what you think will happen. Will he take full advantage of his situation? If so would this not be a ligitimate reason for the US government to band travel to Cuba? You already know my opinion, preventing US citizens from being exploited by communists regimes is well worth restrictions to travel>

16th Feb, 2005 - 3:04am / Post ID: #

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I found some good information regarding the US stance on this topic. As a matter of fact, it pretty well outlines the entire strategy of Cuban Foreign Policy. It is pretty long, but give a really good picture.

https://www.cubadigital.org/report.txt

It states that the number of request have come down from the first offering of travel to cuba. Tenaheff is right, aunts and uncles are apparently out, but everyone else in the family seems to be able to go. It seems like they are trying to crack down on people that seem to be using this as a business travel method and to limit the amount of money that goes into Cuba. This is the part that to me makes sense because you heard how loud the French were when people in the US (at their own will) stopped buying french products in masse. When the US stops buying from you, you definitely feel it. It is this economic lever that the US government continually is pulling. What interested me was that there was very little discussion on security in the briefing!



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Post Date: 5th May, 2005 - 1:45am / Post ID: #

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Actually... From the history I've read... when Castro dies... the embargo and restrictions die. The deal made with him by the Kennedy brothers when we were on the brink of nuclear war during the Cuban missle crises through the back door... dies!

So all we have to do is wait for him to die, then Cuba, like Red China and other socialist nations, will get their piece of the capitalistic tourist dollars and investment. And us? We'll get those rolled havanas, vintage cars, and beach front vacations and time shares.

It's not about threat... It's the deal... THE DEAL! (horrific laughter fading into the background)

5th May, 2005 - 10:11am / Post ID: #

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We shall see if in fact what SteveB says is true when the time comes. I think it will depend upon who takes over after Castro dies. I predict a lot of unrest within the country when that time comes. My fear is the US will get involved in an effort to rid the nation of communism similar to what we did in Viet Nam. This country is so close to our shores. How will our leaders resist? I certainly hope we don't get involved though.

However, this topic isn't about the embargoes or communism or any thing such as that. The question posed is: Is it acceptable for a democratic nation to prevent it's citizens from visiting any place in the world that they choose? I still say no.


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5th May, 2005 - 11:21am / Post ID: #

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I'm not a US citizen either but I know in Tonga it states on our passports that as a citizen we are not allowed to travel to all communist countries including Albania, North & South Vietnam/Korea, Cuba and Colombia.

Which my wife is stumped about as she wants to go and teach in Korea. If it was for safety reasons then maybe it is understsandable to be restricted from certain areas but it should still be up to the individual!


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5th May, 2005 - 3:39pm / Post ID: #

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It is interesting that Tonga does this as well. I used the US as an example because the US is always talking about freedom. The US is quick to critize other nations for what it views as an infringement on another's freedom, yet it seems they do the same when it suits.

I agree with you that it shouldn't happen whether in the US or Tonga. If the country and its citizens are free, then they should be free to travel where they choose. In my opinion anyway.


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