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I disagree. From the earliest times, christianity has endorsed and promoted the death and torture of anyone that did not convert to christianity, even other christian sects. Even from the time of Paul, Turtillian documents the persecution and executions of the gnostics by the earliest christians. In fact, the first thing Constantine did after making christianity the state religion, and indeed the required religion, was to conquer and kill in Christs name. Christianity has never had a time in which it was not killing other christians or pagans.

In the fourth century, Emperor Constantine, the first Roman Emperor to become a Christian, had over 3000 Christians executed because their interpretation of the Bible did not agree with his.

In 777 , Charlemagne, a devout Christian, after conquering the Saxon rebels, gave them a choice between baptism and execution. When they refused to convert, he had 4500 of them beheaded in one morning.

Queen Isabella, famous for sending Columbus to the New World in 1492, was well known also for her 'Spanish Inquisition', the gruesome torture and murder of tens of thousands of Spanish Jews, Muslims, homosexuals, people who read or wrote, uppity women, and anyone else not up to the Queen's strict standards. Isabella was a champion of the faith, piously congratulating herself as her victims writhed to their deaths in the flames and the many other ingenious methods of torture invented by her inquisitors.

In the 12th and 13th centuries, the Inquisition was born, with Christians killing Christians, during what was known as the Albigensian heresies. Hundreds of thousands of people died because their Christianity did not agree with official dogma. This adds to the irony of murder in the name of Christ, when the majority of victims of the early inquisitions were themselves Christians.

English Catholics suffered horribly under Protestant regimes. American historian William T. Walsh writes: "In Britain, 30,000 went to the stake for witchcraft; in Protestant Germany, the figure was 100,000" (, p. 275).

Rome became Christian because of Emperor Constantine, who had a vision the night before a battle in 312 C.E., against Maxentius at Saxa Rubra. The vision supposedly told him to conquer in Christs name. He killed every soldier of Maxentius to a man.

At the time of Constantine's conversion, Christianity was still collection of minor cults. Pagan Romans thought they had another nutcase-Emperor on their hands. And indeed, persecution of the pagans began in earnest, by 390 CE. Bureaucratic mismanagement had reduced the government to a morass of wasted money, and the roads were falling apart.

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Notates that totals of people killed over the centuries by everyone, deaths contributed to the christian crusaders are massive. The tortures incurred by the inquisitors is enormous, not to mention the entire annihilation of several indian cultures after forced conversion to christianity.

The beautiful thing about christianity in it earliest form, is that they completely justified the killing of anyone who disagreed with dogma and had no problem documenting their conquest for christianity. These numbers have been documented in part or whole by the actual people involved in them. There was no shame, and their cruelty pre-dated any religion that forced conversion. In short, Islam wasn't invented yet, and Paganism was extremely tolerant. In fact, the toleration of Greek and Roman paganism allowed the growth of christianity. But once christianity was in play, it did not allow, or suffer, any other religion to exist. It would spend over a thousand years trying to stamp out every other religion, including other sects of christianity that existed at the time such as the Gnostics, Marcionites, Ebonites, and Arians. Christianity is the most violent religion by means of documented deaths and atrocities, far more than any other religion dared.

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I was listening to some political radio talk show host, explaining that Islam has always conquered other countries through violence. The host continued to site countries that were different religions before Islam invaded them. What the host failed to point out, is that through Islam we have a lot of the scientific knowledge that we use today.

Christianity is no different, the early christians invaded other countries and put to death those who wouldn't convert to the Christian faith. I think that Christians are the most violent in the history of the world, especially sence our doctrine is one of PEACE not VIOLENCE. No where in the NT is violence used as an acceptable measure of converting others.

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Before the Israelites ever saw Chanaan the people there were peaceful.

Then after their God taught his Egyptian slaves to make war, he gave them orders on how to take a city outside their territory.

But God had a much different set of rules for his army in the lands He did intend Israel to occupy. He wanted to occupy the land with a clean slate.

Since the Muslim and the Christian religions both stem from Abraham's sons Isaac and Ismael, I have no doubt that the descendants of God's chosen, Abraham, are responsible for more violent deaths than any other group of people. If you want to narrow it down between the two, The God of the Jews was responsible in his time directly, or indirectly, for over six and one half million deaths. I believe more humans have died violent deaths at the hands if the Christian religion than any other making them the most violent.

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How is it that Jerusalem a Europain country?
The Arabs who are mainly Muslims took it back because it is an Arab land.

I will have to disagree with that as well, spreading it by the sword means that the person who converts doesnt actually believe in it hence defeating the purpose of converting in the first place and IF we suppose that it really was spread by the sword dont you think that most of them would have reverted back to thier original religion by now.

The Muslim Empire spreaded from Spain to the borders of India and some other Asian countries but it didnt reach Indonasia which is the most populous muslim country in the world which is outside the muslim Empire so thats evidence that Islam wasnt spread by the sword.

As for the most violent religion I can't really say that there is a religion that is violent in its nature but it was misrepresented by some of its people at some point in history.

From that I would say christianity due to the things that was commited in its name that doesnt mean that these were the teachings of God.

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I became curious about the number of deaths in the Old Testament of the Christian Bible, so I did a line-by-line search for the numbers that are printed there. The number of human beings that died directly, or indirectly, because of the God of the Jews was 6,548,935. I don't know if any other book in print records the number of deaths attributed to the religious leader or God, but 6 1/2 million is a very big number. As for God teaching death and destruction, I don't know how you can deny these passages from the Bible.

And if you take notice, He didn't ask, or suggest, He commanded!

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The subject of the thread is "The Most Violent Religion"? There is no religion that can escape the taint of having done violence either to its own or to others, but simply supplying numbers, which are notoriously uncertain as to their truthfulness, does not address the question.

This question can only be answered by looking inside each faith and marking the propensities of its doctrines in encouraging its adherents to commit acts of violence for the sake of that religion and as an article of faith.

What we might then see is that the religion with most blood on its hands, in an historical sense, is in and of itself erirenic, but that it has been subverted by misguided men and practitioners who forge their own violent versions of it to pursue their own ends.

It is the urge and direction to violence that determines whether of the world's faiths, denominations, sects, &. is the most violent. Some hostile commentators claim that Mormons are blooodthirsty and point to Mountain Meadows and the so-called Danites, etc, as evidence. However, they miss the point in their haste to have something with which to hang Mormons, for even if there was Mormon involvement in the MMM, and even if there were Danites and Avenging Angels, proving that these were insituted by the leaders of the LDS Church is quite another matter, and enough cogent rebutting evidence has been published to set the meanest anti-Mormon straight on those points.

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Offtopic but, If you can't trust numbers quoted directly from the Bible, what can you trust?

The God of the Jews did not teach, he demanded genocide time and time again. I don't have to wait for adherents to commit acts of violence. The God of the Jews ordered them to do it now.

Edited: JB@Trinidad on 15th Oct, 2006 - 12:03am