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QUOTE (Nighthawk @ 3-Apr 04, 7:43 AM) The "casting - Page 4 - Studies of Dreams, Mystics, Paranormal - Posted: 10th Jan, 2005 - 10:06pm
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Witches, Wizards and just your average Joe or is there something more? Also includes: Pagan & MagickPost Date: 10th Apr, 2004 - 12:54am / Post ID: #
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| QUOTE (JB@Trinidad @ 9-Apr 04, 1:44 PM) |
| I am asking which religion will knowing accept this kind of thing... yes the members within it may be excepting of it, but that does not mean the religion itself is... for example: If you enter a Catholic Church or Muslim or Hindu and you tell them your beliefs and that you would like to be part of their organization and maintain theirs and your beliefs - then will they allow it? |
I know Unitarian Universalisms are ok with it. I know if I would join one of their churches they would be ok with it.
Christians seem to have the bigest problem with it. And I do know why, my mother made me go to a Christian church until I turned 18. It was a CMA church.
There are Christian Wiccans out there, but I can't see how that would work.
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Post Date: 14th Apr, 2004 - 7:37pm / Post ID: #
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| QUOTE (JB@Trinidad @ 9-Apr 04, 6:57 PM) |
| Thanks for the information, you have enlightened me a lot about it. |
Your welcome.
If any one is looking for more information on Wicca, Witchcraft, or Paganism I have some links on my site to some great sites.
My site is called "Magickal Dragon Dreams" it's mainly an art site (art by me and other peoples fantasy art), but I do have Pagan information on it. If any one is interested my url is: https://www.osage.net/~lwaite/
Post Date: 16th Jul, 2004 - 4:46am / Post ID: #
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For awhile I was interested in Wicca, I did some reading on it.
It was pretty interesting for awhile. What interested me first was that a lady who had recently moved into the town and opened up a movie store (doing quiet well now) was a Wiccan, she became best friends with my mom, then my mom got into it, doing spell casting, tarot reading, crystal balls and such. That made me want to get into it too.
From what I read... Wicca is not bad, it respects all over believes. It has no evil (Satan, Devil, etc.) It does involve casting spells, but only good ones.
I then lost the interest in Wicca, (not that I'm saying its boring, its just me) and decided to read up on other religions.
Post Date: 12th Aug, 2004 - 4:49am / Post ID: #
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Howdy, folks. I felt compelled to add here. My info lists me as a Wiccan only because the more all-encompassing term, Pagan, was not available. More accurately, I am an eclectic Witch of Celtic heritage. My husband and I still have family in Ireland who are practitioners of the Old Ways.
I believe a few clarifications are in order. Not all Witches are Wiccan. Not all Pagans are Witches. And Wicca is definitely NEO-Pagan. It is a man-made compilation of a mixture of pantheons.
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| "...Wicca is not related historically in any way other than literary inspiration to any aboriginal pagan religion. It is, in fact, a product of the 1930s and 40s, hugely influenced by the rituals of Freemasonry, the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, and the Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO). It, in fact, is a errant direct descendent of an OTO encampment in London chartered by Aleister Crowley, then the OTO Grand Master General, and under direction of Crowley's direct student and would-be successor, Gerald Gardner...." - Allen H. Greenfield, Bishop in the Gnosis |
This is just one sampling of the history of Wicca. There are much more in-depth sources online. A Google search only moments ago yielded 167K results. But I wanted this to be more than a history lesson.
I offer the following essay which a friend posted to one of my groups in biblical defense of Wicca and Witchcraft.
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A Christian Speaks of Wicca and Witchcraft by James Clement Taylor I am a Christian and not a Wiccan. A Christian is one who has been baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and who has made a personal, free-will decision to commit himself and all his or her life to our Lord and God and Savior, Jesus Christ. Both of these things are true of me. I am a member of St. Mary's Eastern Orthodox Church, Calhan, Colorado. In this paper, I am not speaking as agent for any church, but I am, entirely on my own responsibility, speaking the truth in love, as we Christians are supposed to do. A Situation of Strife and Shame: There are many Christians today who believe that anyone who is not a Christian is doomed to an eternity of suffering in hell. Any decent person, believing this, would be compelled to try to save as many people from this fate as possible. But is this belief correct? Jesus Christ, having noted the faith and righteousness of a Roman centurion, a Pagan, proclaimed: "Assuredly I say to you, I have not found such great faith, not even in Israel! And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 8:10-12) If we accept these words as true, and surely we should, then it is clear that heaven will contain many who are not Christians, and hell will contain many who are! Clearly, throughout the Gospels, Jesus Christ sets forth the criteria for entrance into the kingdom of heaven, and those criteria include love, kindness, forgiveness, and a refusal to judge others: "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses." (Matthew 6:14-15) "For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the same measure you use, it will be measured back to you." (Matthew 7:2) "But go and learn what this means: `I desire mercy and not sacrifice.'" (Matthew 9:13) "Therefore be merciful, just as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven." (Luke 6:36-38) Is it not clear? Anyone who fails in these things, will calling himself a Christian save him? Anyone who obeys God in these things, will being unbaptized condemn him? Jesus said, "Not everyone who says to Me, `Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven." (Matthew 7:21) "....Yet it is not by good works that we earn our way into heaven, because there is no way we can earn the free gift of God's mercy and grace, which alone can save us. But it is clear that it is not by faith, in the sense of sharing the Christian faith, that we are saved, either. The faith which saves us is not faith in the goodness of our works, nor faith that we have the right theology and/or belong to the right church. Rather, it is faith in God, and in His mercy: "So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who has mercy." (Romans 9:16) But the Wiccans, you will say, do not have faith in God. Yet by their own theology, they certainly do. Those who call them Satan- worshippers are entirely wrong. They do not worship Satan, or even believe that Satan exists. Instead, they worship a Goddess and a God whom they understand as manifestations of a higher and unknown Deity. Now if you are a Christian, this will sound familiar to you, and it should. In the Bible we find the following: "Then Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, `Men of Athens, I perceive that in all things you are very religious; for as I was passing through and considering the objects of your worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Therefore, The One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you" (Acts 17:22-23) The Wiccans worship the Unknown God, as manifested to them in the form of a Goddess and a God. Therefore, our Bible tells us they worship the same God we do; and if they do not know this, we should know it! For those of us who are unable to simply stand on God's Word, and must prove to themselves the truth of what it proclaims the holy Apostle John has given us the method for doing this. You have only to attend any public Wiccan ceremony, and test the spirits which are there, to see "whether they are of God" (1 John 4:1). You will find that, while the power manifested there may be less than what you have experienced as a Christian, that power is clearly the power of God. Dear brothers and sisters in Christ, these people of Wicca have been terribly slandered by us. They have lost jobs, and homes, and places of business because we have assured others that they worship Satan, which they do not. We have persecuted them, and God will hold us accountable for this, you may be sure, for He has said, "Assuredly I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me." (Matthew 25:40) Let us, from this point onward, repent of our misdeeds and declare that henceforth we shall obey Christ our God, and not judge others or condemn them, so that He will not have to judge and condemn us for our sins. ~End. |
Post Date: 12th Aug, 2004 - 12:41pm / Post ID: #
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| My info lists me as a Wiccan only because the more all-encompassing term, Pagan, was not available. |
The Architect wishes to inform you that the Religion called, 'Pagan' is now listed and you may update your profile to show this.
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| I offer the following essay which a friend posted to one of my groups in biblical defense of Wicca and Witchcraft. |
When quoting the works of others please use a reference link and partial content or in the case of full publication state that you are using it by permission.
Post Date: 12th Aug, 2004 - 2:43pm / Post ID: #
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| QUOTE (Persephone @ 12-Aug 04, 6:41 AM) |
| The Architect wishes to inform you that the Religion called, 'Pagan' is now listed |
I asked you guys about doing that awhile ago. See I am not Wiccan. I am a eclectic Pagan. Anyway, thanks for adding Pagan to the list.
fugitive247, nice to meet you. Thanks for the help clarifying. I was trying to explain it the simplest way to understand.
Post Date: 10th Jan, 2005 - 10:06pm / Post ID: #
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| QUOTE (Nighthawk @ 3-Apr 04, 7:43 AM) |
| The "casting of spells" might not be much more than prayer. The Wiccans I have had slight dealings with have focused their religion on "goddess" worship - nature. So, to me, they worship nature rather than the Creator of nature. |
Yeah, it's something like that. I've been researching about it because I like to know about religions.
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| But the Wiccans, you will say, do not have faith in God. Yet by their own theology, they certainly do. Those who call them Satan- worshippers are entirely wrong. They do not worship Satan, or even believe that Satan exists. Instead, they worship a Goddess and a God whom they understand as manifestations of a higher and unknown Deity. |
Actually, Wiccans believe in One God, who's woman and men (duality) and they consider it's the source of all living, as being the energy that moves the Universe (or the Universe itself, differs from Wiccan to Wiccan). Not very different from Shintô.
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