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I agree. Actually it was a rhetorical question because of Dbackers mentioning local leaders, I was trying to make the point that based on that letter, it seems like the request comes from the First Presidency.

In my case, I won't give a cent regardless of who is asking for donations.

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It is 3:45 AM local time and I have not been able to fall asleep so if I say something stupid, please blame it on fatigue and a general feeling of grumpiness.

If you do not want to do as this letter states then you do not have to do it. There are plenty of people who are not doing this in the United States. They did not force us to become politically involved with the Equal Rights Amendment (though they opposed it at the time and I do not think I was even born), and they are not forcing us to become involved in this argument (except possibly for very, very few overzealous local leaders). I really do not believe there is a rash of Bishops going door to door using their mantles to force members to become politically involved.


Please people, have some backbone. If you don't agree with this letter, do not donate time and means to the support these marriage amendments. No one is forcing us to do anything in the church . They can't even get me do my home teaching regularly, so forcing me to be politically involved will have about the same effect. I have a brain and I know what my political and moral beliefs are, and I am sure that everyone else is the same(with their own belief). Those only supporting this amendment strictly because the Prophet said so, have not studied the issue enough. A person should seek counsel ultimately from the spirit, as it should always be in the Church, and follow their conscience. I will only put my time toward things that I personally believe in and I vote my conscience (as should anyone in a representative democracy).

In the same sentence, I will not limit God. He can and has though-out history been involved in political matters both actively and passively. If he wanted to say that we should support an amendment to ban cigarettes, he can do this (this is just a crude example). But we can choose to accept this as revelation or just the opinion of the man at the head of the Church. God wants us to think for ourselves, and I do not believe this issue is any difference. The church does not say in this letter "If you do not do this you will be excommunicated, face church discipline, or will be considered a bad member." That is not the way it is being handled.

From the website

On the other hand members reserve the right to follow their own consciences.


The rest of 134:9

The rest of 134:9 (in my opinion) talks about one religion being lifted above another as in European state religions and ones religious freedoms are lifted above another. This has nothing to do with the Church being restricted from expressing their opinion about moral issues, even if these issues are found withing the civic realm. This scripture to me has been misinterpreted to restrict the Church from ever discussing moral matters, that also have a political implication,and I do not believe this is what it is addressing. The Church, God, whoever is not restricted by this scripture from expressing an opinion and asking others to do the same.

The United States has always had religious institutions involved in affecting legislation, from the civil rights issues to prohibition, to prostitution. This is what denominations and religious institutions have always done since the inception of our country. We can debate the constitutionality of this but it cannot be denied that this has always happened (even in our own Church as seen in the actions of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, both very political in their rhetoric).


Not that I am saying I believe in this but here is an example of one of Joseph Smith's
views on synergism of civil government and theocratic government.

The idea is there, but probably could only really work in a Zionistic society.

Rather off topic, but... I am somewhat disillusioned with this whole debate, politically and spiritually. On my level of importance in my life this does not rate that high. truthfully, I pretty much only think about it when I read the ideas here. I will be voting for the Arizona Marriage amendment because I want marriage to be between a man and a woman, and I do not want the United States to be as Godless as the Europeans have become. It is simple as that. Other can vote to change the current definition of Marriage and the Church is not going to care one way or another.

It is now 4:15 and my wife thinks I am crazy for staying up.

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Name: Janet

Comments: Voters don't realize how voting for same-sex marriages is going to affect them and their families. I received this e-mail that has been going around about how it has affected states who have passed this amendment.

A portion of the letter reads:

Robb

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I understand freedom very well. I think that people should be allowed to ruin their own lives in any way they see fit as long as it does not involve the most innocent in our society.

One has to ask the question of why homosexuals want to get married? Is there another motive behind it? What comes after marriage? The simple answer is kids. If they are recognized as a couple then they will have the ability to adopt kids. Kids whos' spirits come from heaven. God's spirits. They are not pets.

I don't know what kind of chance a child's soul would have if their parents where homosexuals. Anyway that is the main goal for homosexuals wanting to get married. I believe that is what the church is fighting. Otherwise they would let them practise their free agency. Unfortunately their free agency is interfering with some of God's choicest souls. I don't think God is to pleased with the whole thing.

Can you imagine the state coming in and takeing someone's kids because of a spanking or the spouses arguing and giving them to some free love homosexuals. Kids are also meant for the parents to learn and grow.

You got to take in the whole picture when you try to understand why the prophets do the things they do.

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Quasar, there is currently no law in the United States that prohibits a homosexual from adopting a child. There are already plenty of people that are homosexual that have adopted children. Take a look at Rosie O'Donnell for one. So because they can already do it your argument is moot.

To assume that a homosexual parent would not do as good a job at raising a child as anyone else is bigoted. As for your example I would much rather see a child raised by a loving homosexual than an abusive heterosexual.

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What this matter boils down to for us as members of the church is whether or not we truly have a testimony that this is God's church and that those men, the First Presidency, are indeed called of God and receive revelation from Him. If we believe and have a sure knowledge of that, then we must realize that this direction to support Amendments recognizing marriage between one man and one woman is not merely from fallible men, but the Lord Himself. Surely at times they do voice their personal opinions, but we cannot dismiss this direction as such when given in the official manner that it has. As far as seeming contradictions between the support of such amendments and the scriptures from Doctrine and Covenants which Amonhi quoted here, we must remember that we are limited in our knowledge and cannot possibly know what the consequences to our own freedoms and beliefs might be if homosexual marriage is lawfully recognized.

Certainly this is a trial of our faith but I know that if we pray humbly for guidance and for confirmation that this direction from the first presidency is truly direction from the Lord, we can know for ourselves the truth and receive comfort and strength to follow the counsel.

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That is no true. Mississippi, Florida, and Utah have clearly defined laws that don't allow homosexuals to adopt.

Judges, agencies and state supreme courts would still want the children to go under and usually rule in favor of "married couples". Most states recognize a married couple as a Husband and wife. As you already know most states don't allow gay marriage.

There is also the law of Moses which is highly entrenched in our current laws and influences the way legislatures think.

As time progresses I think that you will see more changes to the individual states constitution that are for or against this. I don't think anyone expected this to be a problem and the current laws are not adequate to deal with this.

It is usually left to the judge to decide. Do you separate a child from parents they have known for 10 years because the parents are homosexual? Are these unwanted kids better off with a good homosexual couple rather than rotting in uncaring state housing? I think there are a lot of factors that the judges have to consider on idividual cases, but as a whole I think the homosexual couples should not be allowed to adopt in a macro sense.

You take a look at her. I don't want to go blind. I don't like her.

And the argument defiantly isn't moot.

Homosexual parents have blatantly come out and tried to destroy the very fabric of what keeps a family together. Wether it is a choice or a condition they have taken themselves out of the right by their inability to use their genitals in the proper manner.

I will go one up on you. How about a loving heterosexual couple? I believe that kids have a better chance in if there environment is shaped by a couple that have a life promoting relationship.

It is not good to hide behind a face of tolerance for something that has been clearly defined as sin.

Homosexuality is anti-procreation and a sign that society is about to fall. I believe that homosexuality is a disease and it spreads.

Edited: Quasar on 4th Nov, 2008 - 3:59pm

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Wow a contagious disease! I do not know how to respond to this. That is way out there. It is so out there I do not know how to respond to this. This is borderline scifi fantasy.You know I am on the other side of this issue then you. If you believe that the BOM is for our day, I do not recall the the Nephites society fell because of the lack of lack procreation or homosexuals.

Where do I begin. If homosexuality is a "condition" (which it is not a condition or a sickness) how have they then taken themselves out of the right by their inability to use their genitals in a proper manner? Doe this mean that hetrosexual couples who cannot conceive are using their "genitals in proper manner" if they still have relations?
Destroying the fabric of life? So what you are saying is a very, very small group of homosexuals are destroying my family fabric? That is the very same argument that the Republicans used for polygamy. I am sorry I just do not buy it. What really breaks up families in the U.S. is financial crisis, like foreclosures and bankruptcies from medical bills. I think that if you are pro-family you would want to stop foreclosures and high health care costs.

It is not good to hide behind a face of tolerance for something that has been clearly defined as sin.

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So do you then not tolerate tea and coffee drinking in your community?  It is a sin after all.  Besides does not a righteous community have to tolerate ones choice to live in sin in order to be righteous?  I think that a community cannot be righteous if it does not tolerate and allow sin to exist to some degree within their community. QUOTE I will go one up on you. How about a loving heterosexual couple? I believe that kids have a better chance in if there environment is shaped by a couple that have a life promoting relationship . You still did not answer his question. Do you think that a gay couple is not better then an abusive straight couple? I do not agree with your answer about gay couples, but that is your belief and I am Ok with that. I do not think that there is much data to support that belief. However the reality is that there are and will be gay couples that will raise children. They will have children and will continue to do so. Thus the question is how do you mitigate this. They are U.S. citizens and therefore have to right to have laws to mitigate their lives even if you and I disagree with that lifestyle. That is the key question. Therefore by denying this you are denying their rights as a U.S. citizen. +  « First of 42 pgs.  14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22  ...Latest (42) »  ◀ Previous Page    Next Page ►   Add Comment As A Guest  Close Topic Options    TOPIC: LDS Perspective: Gay Marriage - Mormon Gays « Next Oldest | Mormon Doctrine Studies | Next Newest »   ▲ TOP International Discussions Coded by: BGID® ALL RIGHTS RESERVED Copyright © 1999-2025 Disclaimer Privacy Report Errors Credits This site uses Cookies to dispense or record information with regards to your visit. By continuing to use this site you agree to the terms outlined in our Cookies used here: Privacy / Disclaimer,

It is not good to hide behind a face of tolerance for something that has been clearly defined as sin.

You still did not answer his question. Do you think that a gay couple is not better then an abusive straight couple? I do not agree with your answer about gay couples, but that is your belief and I am Ok with that. I do not think that there is much data to support that belief. However the reality is that there are and will be gay couples that will raise children. They will have children and will continue to do so. Thus the question is how do you mitigate this. They are U.S. citizens and therefore have to right to have laws to mitigate their lives even if you and I disagree with that lifestyle. That is the key question. Therefore by denying this you are denying their rights as a U.S. citizen.