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War on terrorism The term is used losely for many reasons. Depending on where you live it can mean different things to various people and countries. What do you think the war on terror means?
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18th Mar, 2005 - 2:48pm / Post ID: #

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Night Hawk,

Yet again you are telling me something you know nothing about. The Bali attacks were not primarily aimed at Australians. Bali is an island in Indonesia, it has NOTHING to do with Australia. It was an attack on westerners and Bali was chosen out of Indonesia because it is a Hindu dominated society and attracts westerners. A lot of Americans and other nationals were also killed in these attacks. In fact there were more Balinese killed than Australians.

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Also, Islamist forces are hard at work within the Australian society and government trying to severely restrict your religious liberty and freedom of speech. I don't know whether or not you support their efforts to restrict the rights of Christians to express opinions about Islam, but those same restrictions will turn around and bite any others who express concerns about Islam, whether they are made by Christians, agnostics, atheists, socialists, whatever.


The Australian government has NOT tried to resrict religious liberty and freedom of speech. Show me the legislation where this has happened. Mate I really don't know where you are getting this information from, our current ruling party is quite religious and would never try to supress religous freedom. I really need evidence to even give the above statement consideration.

Australians have never been the primary target of terrorist attacks in the same light as the US in September 11. In fact before our token support for the war on terror we had no enemies in the world. The only reason why terorrist would now target us in any fashion is because our government has obediently supported America's war on terror. This has inflammed our largest neighbour Indoneisa which is the largest Islamic country in the world. Whether this is right or wrong is irrelevant. We are now in MORE danger because of our support for the War on Terror than we would have been had we not taken sides. Personally I am glad our government is doing something about terrorism in the region but I also accept that this puts us in more potential danger. Our support for the war on terorr and the Iraq war is politically motivated to help us secure a free-trade agreement with the US, which we now have. What you read or hear from the US media about Australia is total nonsense if you think we are being attacked by terroist groups. Futhermore your implication that there are splinter cells forming in this country is laughable. A few people who have tenuos links to terorist groups hardly equates to a splinter cell.

You said that islamists are using religion to justify their actions. I totally agree with you on that. Therefore to then say these groups are attacking every other religion doesn't make sense. If religion is a means of justification then the real reason lies elsewhere. This is not a holy war. Lets turn this on its head for a second. Bush has been using many references to Christianity in his remarks about some of the nations or terrorist groups he is targetting. We know he is a born again Christian and is using such biblical remarks to envoke emotion amongst his core supporter base. But we know the real reasons the US is trying to re-design the Middle East has nothing to do with good or evil, or religion. You can not say this is a war on islamists because by doing that you are allowing these terrorist groups to use Islam in their efforts for whatever agenda they may have. You have to read between the lines.

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The intentional invasion of Europe over the last 2 or 3 decades, wherein now whole cities have been ceded to the Islamists in Sweden.


This is another example of extreme misinformation. Do you seriously believe the Islamists are trying to invade Europe? For starters you use the example of Sweden. My girlfriend is Swedish, has lived there her whole life and is in Stockholm right now. She said this statement is total nonsense and would like to know where you heard this from and what cities have been ceded. So would I, because it is news to me as it appears to be to the people I know in Sweden. If you can come up with some names of cities I will gladly let her know and see what she says.

Finally, I agree on your definition of terrorism but disagree on your defence of Israel. I have seen video footgae of an Israeli bulldozer running over an American citizen. There are reports on a daily basis about the Israeli military targetting and brutalising communities. Just because their political leaders tell us they are targetting "terrorists" doesn't make it right or true? They are hardly going to say we we're targetting innocent civillians, are they. Israel kills three times more Palestinians than vice versa. And they do it with heavy artillery. Palstinian suicide bombers are scum, but so is the indisicrimnate incursions that the Israeli millitary inflicts on the Palestinian population. They are not angels and we both know it.

I would sooner believe the Italian journalists account of events than a spokesperson for the US army. When people say things you have to think of their agenda. The Italian journalist has no agenda in revealing her personal ordeal.


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18th Mar, 2005 - 5:53pm / Post ID: #

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The Bali attacks were not primarily aimed at Australians.

They were targetted at hotels known to be favorites of Australian tourists. If you want to believe that this was coincidence, that is your problem. There were other places that would have been better targets if they were after Americans. Yes, it probably WAS because Australia supports the War on Terror. I don't believe it is only a token support.

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The Australian government has NOT tried to resrict religious liberty and freedom of speech.

That is why three Christian pastors are being tried for inciting hatred against Islam, for preaching in their churches that Islam is a false religion (which is their belief). This is happening in Australia. No, I don't currently have sources for this. I read a very wide variety of news sources, mainly through links from a variety of blogs. I read several articles about this situation.

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You said that islamists are using religion to justify their actions. I totally agree with you on that. Therefore to then say these groups are attacking every other religion doesn't make sense.

How does this NOT make sense? When they communicate information about their attacks, they talk about attacking the Christian Crusaders. They blow up sacred Budhist statues (this admittedly was the Taliban, but I include them in the overall "terrorist" category). They continuously refer to the West's coddling of the Jews as being some of their justification for their attacks. They profess that their goal is worldwide implementation of Islamist ideology, including the prevalence of Sharia law and dhimmitude of all non-Muslims.

I am NOT saying that this is the general attitude of all muslims.

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Do you seriously believe the Islamists are trying to invade Europe? For starters you use the example of Sweden. My girlfriend is Swedish, has lived there her whole life and is in Stockholm right now. She said this statement is total nonsense and would like to know where you heard this from and what cities have been ceded.

I can't remember the name of the main city right now. It is a fairly major city, and the Swedish police have stopped even trying to enter it. It is about 85-90% muslim. Swedish women are afraid to walk anywhere in it, at any time. I will try to find some references to it.

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I would sooner believe the Italian journalists account of events than a spokesperson for the US army. When people say things you have to think of their agenda. The Italian journalist has no agenda in revealing her personal ordeal.

She has no agenda!? Do you know who she is, and what she does for a living?

She writes for one of the most virulently anti-American, anti-capitalism, anti-Western, pro-communist magazines in the ENTIRE WORLD! Her whole life is all about embarassing, mocking, and destroying the US!

No, she has no agenda at all. I bow to your superior wisdom. After all, the American servicemen who face IEDs and car bombs on a daily basis just wanted to kill some stupid Italian woman, who they had no way of knowing was going to be there (according to the ranking Italian minister in Iraq).


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18th Mar, 2005 - 6:12pm / Post ID: #

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I can't remember the name of the main city right now. It is a fairly major city, and the Swedish police have stopped even trying to enter it. It is about 85-90% muslim


I think Nighthawk is refering to a city called Malmø. Here a link for reference of what he is talking about:

https://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2004/...ims_rule_ma.php


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Post Date: 11th Apr, 2005 - 1:46am / Post ID: #

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"If they do it, it's terrorism, if we do it, it's fighting for freedom."

- Anthony Quainton, U.S. Ambassador to Nicaragua, 1984: Anthony Quainton

Source: Off the record response of the Ambassador to a group of concerned U.S. citizens when asked to explain the difference between U.S. government actions in Nicaragua and the violence it condemns as terrorism elsewhere in the world.
Ref. Informationclearinghouse.com

Post Date: 29th May, 2005 - 9:18am / Post ID: #

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FOCUS MOVES FROM AL-QAIDA TO 'VIOLENT EXTREMISM'U.S. SHIFTS ANTI-TERROR EFFORTS

The Bush administration has launched a high-level internal review of its efforts to battle international terrorism, aimed at moving away from a policy that has stressed efforts to capture and kill al-Qaida leaders since Sept. 11, 2001, and toward what a senior official called a broader "strategy against violent extremism."
Ref. https://deseretnews.com/dn/view/1%2C1249%2C...37501%2C00.html

Post Date: 30th May, 2005 - 1:03am / Post ID: #

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What Is The War On Terror?

Bush strategy lacks clarity, report asserts:

A newly published US Army War College assessment concludes that more than three years after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, the Bush administration has failed to define the overall aim of the war on terrorism.
Ref. https://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/...report_asserts/

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30th May, 2005 - 1:37am / Post ID: #

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The last paragraph of the previous article sums up the situation very well

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But the assessment also says that both choices carry risks.

The first could exact a heavy cost in the next decade but could bring long-term security by removing many of the breeding grounds for terrorism. The containment policy, on the other hand, would cost less in the short term but probably not solve the problem over the longer term, effectively leaving in place what Biddle terms the ''wellspring" of Islamic terrorism -- the dictatorships of Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, and others.


Basically, the US is in a lose-lose situation. The decision therefore has to be made whether the eradication of terrorism precedes the huge cost that would result from it. I don't see an easy decision either way.


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1st Jun, 2005 - 10:34am / Post ID: #

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I believe the only effective way to fight terrorism is to kill the root cause of it.

It's no coincidence US interests are primarily targeted by a large number of Islamic extremists. There is a lot of anti-US sentiment in the Middle East because of the role the US government and corporations have played on nations and resources in the region. Plus, its blind support for Israel is another source of contempt for these extremists.

It is my belief that if the US wants to end terrorism in the region it needs to greatly change its foreign policy and the way it deals with nations in the Middle East. Other countries should adopt a more diplomatic line as well. A 'might is right' policy will never work, it's childish to say the least. Killing terrorists will never solve the problem either because nobody knows who or where terrorists hide. And all this does is make more potential terrorists angry.

Terrorists need a reason to fight, if you don't give them one ordinary people are not going to risk their lives supporting an illegitimate cause.


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