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Off topic? It asked what rule I would like to change.

And when I list them and give detailed reasons why it is off topic?

Don't know if I'll ever understand your view of "off topic." I thought I was point on.

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Tortdog, I said you was ranting ABOUT the "offtopic" issue in that thread as you normally do....NOT that you was offtopic. See what I am talking about reading?

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No. I don't see. Even JB did not claim I was off topic. I listed four rules that I did not like and explained why in one post. JB claimed it was a rant and suggested that paid membership would fix the rules I didn't like (patially true) and said the rules were in place to stay.

That left me confused as to why the board asked our opinion on rules we did not like at all, if the opinion would be shut down.

I did not argue that there. I just moved on realizing that suggestions on feedback were not appreciated.

But I will make that point now when I believe you mischaracterize what I said.

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Tortdog, it seems you want to make this "hard" and "tough", bring it on if that's what you want.

You don't get it, don't you? Nobody says you was OFFTOPIC, do you understand that? What is so hard to understand? What I said was that you was ranting ABOUT the offtopic rule as one of the "rules" you do not like in the forum.

The thread asked for ONE rule and you made a list, it was a rant more than anything else otherwise you would have FOLLOWED what the thread asked. With all due respect, are you too prideful to admit when you are wrong? I do not buy the fact you are confused or you don't understand, you seem to just want to continue arguing a topic for the sake of arguing because you DO NOT AGREE. I do not care whether you agree with the rules or not, do you understand that? That's my main point. Whether you like it or not is irrelevant.

So we do not keep this as an eternal ping-pong of replies, unless you have a question for me that you need help with (which I would be glad to help) let's please move on and stop this. It has become a non-sense. Me telling you the rules and you eternally whining about them or challenging them and wanted to have the last word. I don't have right now the health or the time to be replying back and forth to what you think should be done or why JB told you this or that, you are a big man, grow some thicker skin if you need it.

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BEFORE WE BEGIN, let's remember that this whole thing began when I stated that viewpoints contrary to those moderating this site were NOT welcome and that feedback did NOT seem to be appreciated. I think you have proven my point - amply.

I guess the definition of "rant" is in order. I made ONE post as follows:

So I provided ONE sentence that took issue with the manner in which a rule was applied as being poorly thought out. That's ONE sentence. So that's a rant? I even explained why improper application of the rule might be impossible to avoid due to difference in opinion among people, and understandings of a topic at issue.

So how on earth is that a rant, as compared to my view on a rule that I disagree with?

And thus we get to the crux of the issue. With all due respect, LDS, I did not "rant" about the off topic rule. And if providing four rules with which I disagreed by using short/pithy sentences and reasonings thereto, then you have made YOUR point, I.e., one rule complaint is okay but not four.

So, fine.

But by your OWN definition, I did not "rant" on about off-topic moderation since I only discussed it once (not as a list).

I fail to understand how you could say this, when I have stated many times in threads when I have overlooked a fact and admitted so, and have done so in our own conversations. In fact, IN THIS VERY DISCUSSION, I pointed out that I made a mistake believing that JB had deleted my thread. That was yesterday. Was that so long ago that you fail to recall it?

So you are calling me a liar?

Then why not delete the thread that asked our opinion of the rules?

Just a suggestion.

Likewise. So this conversation is over.

between, regarding the "last word," I am accustomed to the tradition of a person making an argument, hearing a response from the opposing party, with a chance to respond by the person making the original argument. Thus if Person A makes an argument and Person B disagrees, the order goes:

Person A
Person B
Person A

That's the practice. It's tried and true (in my view). So when Person B makes a point in opposition to my original viewpoint, it's hardly surprising in most circles (I would think) that I respond to that point of opposition.

You do know I am a lawyer, right? It is less about the thickness of my skin (or my alleged attempts to deceive you) and more about customary practice in my profession.

And I'm sorry to hear about your health. If you didn't want to get into this, you should have just said so before you walked down this path with me. I certainly gave you an opt out for us to move on.

Edited: tortdog on 12th Sep, 2007 - 2:55pm

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Then why do you INSIST in continuing this non-sense. It's beyond me. I want to believe you have a life and definitly this forum is not part of it so why are you continuing this discussion when you know it has two parts: One who is telling you these are the rules and NOT asking for your opinion and the other part (you) who does not accept them (BUT which YOU AGREED upon registration in this Community).

No, I think you obviously have way too much free time in your hands to be arguing over and over this issue and who ALWAYS MUST have the last word no matter what, that tells a lot about someone. I am not a kid Tortdog, neither you.

Says who? Oh, sorry...you of course. I really thought you would have the ability of follow my suggestion and move on, obviously you do not want to then the conversation does not seem to be over.

Sure, the only problem is that we are not in court and nobody here is going to be convicted. I have provided you the reasons why certain policies and rules have been in place, you do not agree with them hence you continue arguing those points when I have clearly stated I am NOT asking for your opinion but rather telling you the rules and policies we have. You STILL do not understand that point and feel you need to tell me what you think. I am not asking for it.

Even in the case that YOU think a rule does not apply to you, is interesting to notice how other members post fine without any issues whatsoever, it is only you who seem to have an issue with every little rule or post deleted. Food for thought.

Yes, I know you are a lawyer. Your profession or customary practice should have no relevance to a community on the forum. Always remember that it is YOU coming to us, NOT us to you making it obvious that is YOU who needs to adapt to how things run here and NOT the other way around.

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I suggested we move on because you expressed the desire. And then you continue.

I did not ask for an exception to be made. In YOUR feedback forum PERSEPHONE created a thread asking OUR opinion of the rules.

And I provided it.

And it was not appreciated. JB's immediate response was to stop ranting and to accept that the rules exist and won't be changed (on a thread where we are asked to opine what rule we don't like).

So I am at fault for taking up that invitation. Okay.

Next time, don't make a thread requesting our opinion. And likewise, maybe you should not be shocked when I mention that FEEDBACK at the FEEDBACK forum was shut down when I then point it out.

Perhaps it escaped you but in explaining why I didn't like the rule (pursuant to PERSEPHONE's invitation), I even put forward a view that DEFENDED its application. I certainly try to be reasonable. Asking for feedback and then shutting it down when provided? Not so much.

Edited: tortdog on 12th Sep, 2007 - 3:28pm

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I think the problem Tortdog is that you want to be somewhat in control and certainly cannot here:

You really think you are "big and tough" eh? Not for me certainly. EVEN if you wanted to give me an option you CANNOT because you are not the administrator therefore it is not for YOU to give options HERE but for US to do it and YOU to follow it. It seems like somehow you do not have that very clear.