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Poll: Which statement is the MOST true for you with regards to the Israeli vs. Palestine conflict?
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  Israel is a terrorist State       10.94%
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  Palestine is a terrorist State       23.44%
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  Palestine has no claim on anything since the last war       6.25%
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  Israel should withdraw and allow Palestine to become a State       9.38%
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  Israel is only doing what the USA wants       3.12%
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  Palestine is only doing what the Islamist want       1.56%
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  Both people are equally blood hungry       10.94%
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  Both people really want peace but are blind       9.38%
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  Israel owns the Middle East       1.56%
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  Israel does not belong in the Middle East       9.38%
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  Palestine are angry because they were conquered       1.56%
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  Palestine was there first and deserve their land       12.50%
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Palestine Statehood Who Is Right? Should Palestine be its own soverign nation state? Why is the USA attempt to block this from happening? Is Israel using an apartheid system much like South Africa did where people are segregated into undesirable areas and become unable to access the basic necessities of life? Does Israel have a point that they have major security challenges against those trying to harm them? How can this be resolved or will it ever? Will there be a Palestine state?
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5th Aug, 2014 - 5:10pm / Post ID: #

Palestine vs. Israel - Page 93

I don't think there are any mathematical death equations of equalization being used by Israel. It is pretty much the response that any country would have in protection of their citizens. Say a Native American reservation swore to the destruction of all Americans and American Culture and started lobing missles monthly out of the reservation and at surburban US and to sweeten the deal kidnapped and killed 3 teenagers and burried them in shallow graves that were easily found and to top it off...took credit for it. The US Government would have a decisive response to the situation. This situation isn't a whole lot different. I can look at the IRA and N.Ireland in similar conditions.

From a purely mathematical standpoint, it is obvious that these uprisings bring about 2 things...a disproportionate amount of destruction of property and in a negative direction for the Palestinians. The leaders are supposedly voted into office, so I have to expect that the Palestinian people are happy with how there scirmishes go...but it is hard for this western mind to grasp it.



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5th Aug, 2014 - 8:44pm / Post ID: #

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...so I have to expect that the Palestinian people are happy with how there scirmishes go

In fairness to the Palestinians I would have to be there among them to really ascertain if this makes them "happy" But from reading news reports I will conclude that no war especially on this scale could make anyone happy. I would also have to be there with them because I would want to see if some of the non-combative Palestinians are not merely afraid for their lives, afraid that if they do not allow jihadist Hamas soldiers in their property that they will be looked on as an Israeli supporter / informant. Yes, it is hard for westerners to swing their mind around what goes on there because we would have kissed and made up long ago or would we? Looking in from the outside is too easy.



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What Israel and Hamas each won -- and lost

Whatever victories Israel and Hamas can claim proved costly to each side. Ref. Source 3

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Israeli military: 2 rockets fired from Gaza into Israel, violating cease-fire

"Terrorists have violated the cease-fire," Military says on official Twitter account. Ref. USAToday

8th Aug, 2014 - 3:39am / Post ID: #

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You know what makes me angry about that, it may not even be people from Gaza firing the rockets but just some extremist that wants to see innocent children become victims of the assault to come.



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Israel to declare Gaza 'enemy territory' to avoid payouts to inhabitants:

Decision would mean Israel would not be liable for damage incurred to residents of the Strip as a result of Israeli actions during Operation Protective Edge. Ref. Source 2

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9th Aug, 2014 - 12:58pm / Post ID: #

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And Israel should not have to either. If this action will be a deterrent to make the people stop firing missiles then you don't want to give them an incentive by paying them for damage from protecting themselves.



11th Aug, 2014 - 6:59pm / Post ID: #

Palestine vs. Israel Studies Judaism - Page 93

You have a culture where the sacrifice of your current wordly life in order to inflict damage upon your enemy is revered and even rewarded in the afterlife. We look at these dead children and grieving mothers and it horrifies us as in our culture this is such a horrible wrong. However, in their culture, this is a sacrifice for the greater good and is rewarded. Much like a 22 year old, with his whole life ahead of him, strapping on a explosive vest and blowing himself up in a Sbarro Pizza only underscores the acceptance and actually admiration of such acts in this culture. Death is not a problem for them nearly as much as it is for the western world. Note how this event has been memorialized in the Palestine Territories:

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After the suicide bombing, Palestinian university students at the An-Najah University in the West Bank city of Nablus created an exhibition celebrating the first anniversary of the Second Intifada. The exhibit's main attraction was a room-sized re-enactment of the bombing at Sbarro. The installation featured broken furniture splattered with fake blood and human body parts. The entrance to the exhibition was illustrated with a mural depicting the bombing. The exhibit was later shut down by Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat.
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This guy was the son of a wealthy business owner and had a lot to live for, but opted to go out with this glory. He wasnt poor and living hand to mouth. Additionally, in the death toll was a pregnant woman from the US. Do we hear about how horrible it was that her and the baby were aborted? Did the husband of the slain wife and child call for a Holy War? No. On the contrary, he has preached about peace and understanding since his loss. I find that about as interesting as the fact that this guy is honored within Palestine as a hero.

Look at the response of the woman that helped get the Sbarro bomber in positon:

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Afterwards, when I took the bus, the Palestinians around Damascus Gate [in Jerusalem] were all smiling. You could sense that everybody was happy. When I got on the bus, nobody knew that it was me who had led [the suicide bomber to the target]... I was feeling quite strange, because I had left [the bomber] 'Izz Al-Din behind, but inside the bus, they were all congratulating one another. They didn't even know one another, yet they were exchanging greetings...While I was sitting on the bus, the driver turned on the radio. But first, let me tell you about the gradual rise in the number of casualties. While I was on the bus and everybody was congratulating one another...
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I admit that I was a bit disappointed, because I had hoped for a larger toll. Yet when they said "Three dead," I said: 'Allah be praised'...Two minutes later, they said on the radio that the number had increased to five. I wanted to hide my smile, but I just couldn't. Allah be praised, it was great. As the number of dead kept increasing, the passengers were applauding.
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Despite the fact that I'm sentenced to 16 life sentences I know that we will become free from Israeli occupation and then I will also be free from the prison," She said. Reportedly, when she first learned from a journalist who was interviewing her in jail that she had murdered eight children, not just three as she had initially believed, she just smiled broadly and continued with the interview.
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Now, with all the love for humanity (As we would think in the West) that you read above, she was sentenced to 16 life sentences for her part in the massacre. These werent combatants...but yet in her mind they were all combatants. She wasnt put to death and was actually released in a prisoner exchange. She came back as a hero.

So with a mindset like this, dealing with the situation in a western fashion is a enormous disadvantage. This is Israel's enemy. You won't catch the Israelis hoping for high death tolls. But yet, any collateral causalties are placed at the feet of Israel and not at the Palestinians or their Government. They are all hopeless spectators of Hamas and Hezbollah?

This is just a microscopic look at the global radical Islamic issue. With as many muslims as there are in the world, it only takes a small percentage of the muslim world to be a huge radical army. Israel, Iraq, Egypt, Jordan and Afghanistan and others in the region are ground zero. But make no mistakes, this cultural issue is eventually coming to a town or state near you.

Remember...using their own language...America is Big Satan.




 
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