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| QUOTE (Dextral @ 30-Dec 06, 7:41 PM) |
| Hitler's death was celebrated nearly world wide after a savage war that cost millions of lives. When comparing Hitler to Saddam, Hitler never dipped anyone in acid or found creative new uses for sodering irons. Compared to what Saddam did to his own people the Holocaust seems humane and orderly. |
Are you kidding? Definitely you had way too much beer to drink.
I cannot celebrate the death of any person, justice was served...good but celebrate? No, I still have human blood flowing through my veins.
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Well aside from some cold medicine I'm fine, and Saddam was worse than Hitler.
Hitler committed atrocities in such a way the general public was unaware that they were happening. They experimented with the easiest way to kill people that was non-personal, eventually settling with gas. The guillotine was used quite frequently during the holocaust as well as hanging. These three methods are considered humane with regards to execution.
Saddam tormented and killed people in new and horrible ways. I can't think of a single country that sentences people to death by acid. Nor can I think of places that would consider creating a dam for the purpose of eliminating a region's water supply or launching gas attacks against civilian populations. He didn't deny these actions at the time, in fact he was quite proud of them. He also took a personal role in the acts of terror he was responsible for, often being present for torture "sessions" and executions. No one has ever described Saddam's treatment of his prisoners or people humane.
Now a major difference between Hitler's atrocities and Saddam's was the scale. Saddam simply didn't have the resources to match the killing on Hitler's level. They were both very bad people and the world is better off without them, but Saddam was far worse but operated on a smaller scale than Hitler. Am I saying that the concentration camps were fine places to be? Of course not, conditions there were deplorable. What I am saying is that in comparison to Saddam's treatment of his own people, concentration camps were more humane.
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| Hitler committed atrocities in such a way the general public was unaware that they were happening. They experimented with the easiest way to kill people that was non-personal, eventually settling with gas. The guillotine was used quite frequently during the holocaust as well as hanging. These three methods are considered humane with regards to execution. |
Dextral, please if you do not know what you are talking about, I would suggest you to research about it before posting. What you are saying is insane.
1. Freezing people to death. (including infants)
2. Injecting chemicals into children's eyes to see if they change color.
3. Sewing the veins of twins to create conjoint twins.
4. Infecting people with Malaria, gangrene, tetanus, hepatitis and other diseases.
5. Bones, muscles, and nerves were removed from people.
6. Experiments with poison.
7. Torture, rape and starvation to death
All these things arehuman compared to what Saddam did? Please!
Saddam was a monster (we all know that) and justice was served when they executed him but to say he was worst than Hitler shows you have no clue what you are talking about.
Now that Saddam is dead and is no longer a threat for his people, what can we expect in the new Iraq?
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Items 1-6 were medical testing. The intent wasn't to spread terror or punish, and some good did come from the experiments. Item 7 seems to be the only really evil one and Saddam found new and interesting ways to do that as well. Just think he looked at a soldering iron and thought, "Now I can torture and rape someone at the same time!" at which point a lackey shouted, "Brilliant!" *please tell me someone got that reference* And Saddam drained a marsh for the explicit purpose of eradicating the marsh Arabs through starvation, TOP THAT HITLER!
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| Items 1-6 were medical testing. The intent wasn't to spread terror or punish, |
Oh really? What wasn't then? A luxury check up in a private hospital?
As I have explained before and gave specific information about it, it is insane to say Saddam was worst than Hitler, just the number of victims alone should give you a clue but yet again, you seem so concerned about having the last word that you are not seeing the heavy evidence (or choose not to for whatever purpose). If you want to get involved you need to come with information and supported sources for your claims. What you are saying about Saddam is not much different to what US soldiers did on Abu Ghraib: Pouring phosphoric acid on detainees, tying ropes to detainees' legs or penises and dragging them across the floor, Sergeant Samuel Provance reported the sexual abuse of a 16-year-old girl by two interrogators, as well as a 16-year-old son of an Iraqi general, who was driven through the cold night air on the open back of a truck after he had been showered and besmeared with mud in order to get his father to talk.
And those are just SOME of the things they have done (there is a thread about it, I am making mention just for reference purposes). Now, if you are going to justify that, go ahead, I am done.
The truth is that Saddam was an evil man and he is dead now, but to say he was worst than Hitler is a very ignorant statement.
It is so interesting how US citizens judge the terrible things that Saddam has done to his people in Iraq but they totally brushed off what their own people did to the Iraqis.
Disgusting.
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HANGMEN TAUNTED SADDAM
BAGHDAD: Saddam Hussein's executioners exchanged taunts with the former president as they prepared to hang him, invoking the name of a radical anti-American Shi'ite cleric whose father was killed by Saddam's agents.
Ref. https://www.stuff.co.nz/hlc/1,,93498~3915319a10~,00.html (VIDEO)
SADDAM BURIED IN FAMILY PLOT: REPORTS
Saddam Hussein was buried in a family plot before dawn on Sunday, reports from witnesses said, a day after the deposed leader's execution.
Ref. https://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/200...dam-burial.html
SECTARIAN VIOLENCE CONTINUES IN IRAQ
At least 92 Iraqis died in bombings and sectarian attacks on Saturday, within hours of the death by hanging of former president Saddam Hussein.
Ref. https://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/200...q-violence.html
Post War Iraq - Page 107
This is a guest commentary, by my 18 year old son. He posted this on his "MySpace" site on Christmas day. He gave me permission to use it. He has really impressed me with the way he said what needs to be said. (This is entirely as he wrote it. I decided not to edit it in any way.)
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| Thoughts I've played Host too. Here are some thoughts that I've played host too over the past weeks. Mostly they come from the watching the evening news and from talking with people at work. I love my country. I do. I love driving from one place to another, the mountains of utah and colorado, the forests of minnesota, the plains of nebraska and kansas. I do. California's beaches, the great lakes, all of it. I love it all. I love our history. The knowledge that this country has been the worlds superpower for the longest time through the blood and sweat of patriots. What makes me sad... is that the people of this nation seem to be forgetting their proud legacy. The heritage of protecting freedom, of helping others, the proud calling of screaming to the world that Justice, Freedom, and Liberty are the virtues of this country. We are a nation founded on the precepts that all men are created equal. Yet, we somehow seem to forget that we believe in Freedom. Our political parties have somewhere along the way become more interested in promoting their own power, than in safeguarding the lives and rights of their own constituent, the people who have elected them to their office. An office not meant to be a priviledged lifestyle, or a high paying high profile job, but an office designed to protect and secure the rights of the people. Somewhere along the line, we seem to have forgotten that it is here in America that the fires of Freedom and Liberty burned brightest and first. We have forgotten that in a war, people die. Civilians die, and soldier's die. The only people who don't die are politicians. That is what we have here, a case where people forget what happens in war. It happened in vietnam, and in korea. A people that doesn't see what they think of as progress being reported by their vaunted 4th estate. Instead we have a press and media that reports the most sensationalized and gut wrenching yellow journalism pieces they can. A war is not fought in days. It is not fought in weeks. Most wars last years. The cause of freedom is not won overnight. It cannot be won that quickly. It is something that must burn in the hearts of those who are fighting, and in the hearts of those who's nation are in conflict. The people of Iraq must want to be free. They must be willing to spill the blood of their enemies, and spill their own blood in the search of their goal. Instead, they are a people who are content to slap a collar around their neck in servitude to whoever points the biggest gun at them. The only people in Iraq who are willing to fight are those who do not espouse freedom, or choice, they espouse hatred, violence, the destruction of what they see as the great satan. Yet, in the end, america doesnt deserve Victory. The reason is simple. This great country, this great people, has elected small minded petty leaders, who would rather see america weakened in the global economy so that they can build up their own powerbases here at home in the US. Elected officials who want to "End the War" because violence in any form is wrong, killing in any situation is the wrong choice. These ideas are two of the reasons why we are weakened. Violence is not wrong. Violence, or the threat of violence is the only way to deal with people who wish to harm, to destroy and rape and pillage. Killing is not wrong when defending those you love. If someone were to break into my home, and attack anyone in that home... then I would see no problem with beating them to death with a bat. Why? Because they are my family and I love them. But we elect officials who tell us that up is down. Killing is wrong. The war is wrong. Maybe the war was started for the wrong reasons. And yet... I do not see Sadam Hussein in power anymore. I don't see him killing hundreds of his own people, slaughtering and torturing them. He's now on trial. His regieme has been toppled, and his people now have their own choices to make. The choice they want to make? Their choice is to be slaves once again to someone else. Is there a right answer? I dont know. |
His final points here are the strongest, in my mind. The people in Iraq now have a choice. Many are choosing a direction that I think is probably wrong (sectarian violence). But they do have a choice. Look at the elections held there. They (Iraqis) stood up to the insurgents, and voted despite the threats of violence. There are problems there, but they are solvable problems. They are also THEIR problems to solve.
By the way, I DO celebrate the death of Saddam Hussein. This whole argument about who was worse, Saddam or Adolph, is pretty silly. The big difference I see between the two of them is that Hitler created a horrendous situation, that provided for all of the horrible things to happen. He promoted monsters into the places to create the atrocities.
Saddam did all those things, and then went out and did them himself, as well. He personally ran the plastic shredders, enjoying the screams of his victims. He personally participated in the rape rooms, etc. He, and his sons, were the monsters, as well as the facilitators.
I sincerely thank God that Saddam Hussein is no longer in power, and is now no longer breathing.
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INTERNET VIDEO OF SADDAM'S HANGING WIDELY AVAILABLE
A grainy, unsteady video of Saddam Hussein's execution circulated on mainstream internet video sites Sunday on the day the deposed Iraqi leader was buried in the village of his birth.
Ref. https://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/200...ddam-video.html
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