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I can understand how leaders in the past could be democrats. The democratic party hasn't always been so liberal. It hasn't always been so lacking in morals. However, I don't understand how anyone today in the Church can be a democrat. I am not saying I can't understand how they would ever vote for a democrat, because it could conceivably be that the democrat candidate in a given election was the better choice in most key issues, including moral ones, but to be an actual registered democrat. I don't see how one can be and still have a clear conscience when it comes to moral issues. This is just my opinion, but I am sorry, I don't see how you can dismiss the democrat nation platform and all of the social/moral side of issues that they come down in favor of.

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Hi can I join the discussion?
I'm not american, but follow the American elections with garat intrest.

And I find your discussion very intresting!

Is it not just a matter of two different ways to view life?

One conservative/republican - and another more liberal/democrat.

It seems to me that some like to demonise democrats, and are portraying them as ultra socialists, pro abortionists, dubble standarded people?
Honestley what are you afraid of?

Have any of you felt what it is like, to live in a society, where pretty much all of the social issues has been taken care of???

I have, - I'm from Denmark, and dont give me any of the stereotype prejudice opinions about Denmark ( or democrats for thet sake ), it is not so bad as its reputation.

My membership of the church, only makes it easyier, to se the good things from the bad. Todecide for a political party, is not the same thing, as to decide on the ansver to a true or false question!

Whats wrong in creating a society, where the children of the poor have the same opprounities to an education or medical care as the children of those with funds?

Does that make me a bad dubble standarded abortionist???
And by the way I would be a democrat if i was living in USA
I guess I'm worse, if I should use some of the wocabulary I have read in this discussion. - So be it.

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Nothing. However, it shouldn't be done at the expense of all moral values that are important to society and that are taught to us as vitally important by our Church leaders.

Supporting social programs does not make you an abortionist. Supporting abortion does. Massachusetts right now is finding out how bad it can be if you vote for politicans based only upon their views of social programs without any concern for their social values.

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I do not understand how anybody can state that some political party will promote one thing at the expense of moral values.

tenaheff:

I find some of the pro republican statements quite condescending toward those of another opinion.

Supporting a political party, or joining a political party, does not take away free agency. Therefore I can be against abortion ( and I am against ) and still support the other good things in that party.
In my opinion, I have to look at the overall picture of the society aimed for, and then make my decision who to support.

Like2Laf:

I like this attitude

And most of all, I have to respect those with another view.
If I want respect from others, then I need to grant them the same respect.

Earlier in this forum I read the reply from president Hinckley when asked if one could be a democrat and a good church member.

(Gordon B. Hinckley)
I love and respect our prophet for his wisdom and insight.

The tone in this discussion reminds me of the tone of the born again Christians from the mission field.

Hallelujah - are you saved? Oh yes I"m saved - I"m a republican.

So what am I? - Saved or dammed????

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Whether you are damned or saved isn't for me to say. I will say this though, if you vote for someone who supports abortion then you really have little right, in my opinion, to complain when abortion is the norm. If you vote for someone who is in favor of same sex marriage then, again, you have little right to expect anything less than same sex marriage being legally sanctioned. Your political leaders are supposed to represent what you believe. So, while it technically doesn't matter if you call yourself democrat or republican, it definately matters what the moral values are of the person for whom you cast your vote. In general, democrats in the US are strong supporters of same sex marriage and abortion. I am not saying I agree or disagree with either of these topics, that isn't important. I am simply using them as an example of why it does matter what a politicians views are.

As far as your attitude is concerned, I don't think you should take it personally if some of us don't agree with your position. That doesn't mean we are judging you as damned. This is a discussion forum. If we all believed the same things, there would be no discussion.

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Concerning my attitude: I can assure you that I do not take it personally, if you or others do not agree with any of my opinions. - I"m still happy and smiling, open and positive.

I also know that it's not up to any human to judge whether anybody is saved or dammed, I"m just trying to make it clear to whoever is reading this, that a person can NOT be judged in moral status, based on what political party they support or are members of.

Discussion forum: Yes - That's why I referred to the tone in the discussion, and I can assure you I have read all the input so far, and there is a tendency to generalizations and to imply that democrats or socialists for that sake do have a lower moral etc.

In general I seek first to understand, then to be understood .
If my way to debate is new to you, or you do not understand it, I can tell you that it is a very common way to debate where I come from.
And here it is perfectly Ok to end a debate with the conclusion - we disagree.

I just couldn't let you keep on padding each others backs in agreement that democrats are 2. rate morally and church member wise.

Therefore I have to oppose to some of the earlier statements.

Quote: Tenaheff
[QUOTE...to be an actual registered democrat. I don't see how one can be and still have a clear conscience when it comes to moral issues.]

[QUOTE...it shouldn't be done at the expense of all moral values that are important to society and that are taught to us as vitally important by our Church leaders.]

Does anybody really believe democrats thinks this way?

Democrat thinks
"We want to find a way to secure education and medical care to the less fortunate, and we will do it at the expense of all moral issues."

If somebody believes this to be the case, then I can se why some is voting republican.
( This is meant to be a thought provoking point, just as the dammed or saved question. )

Fact is that life and politics is not only black or white; there is every tone of color in the whole spectrum,
This applies for democrats as well as republicans and all others, including LDS.

Quote: President Hinckley
[/QUOTE... We've got lots of Democrats in the church, lots of them, and they are good people. I don't worry about that too much.
]

In my opinion, based on president Hinckleys words, and personal experience etc. conclusion must be.

YES. - You can be a democrat, and support LDS standards.
NO. - Every member should NOT be a republican.

The last NO. - is of course a personal matter, and I can perfectly se why the republicans would like every member to support their political view, and I"m also aware of some of their justified concerns.

I think it is good wisdom by the Brethren to warn against political discussion in church, and leave it up to the individual to decide who and what to support.

I"m still happy, and smiling, and I don't worry about that too much either.

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Have you read the national democrat party platform. Are you aware of how, in general, democrats are expected to vote on political "moral" issues, by that national party? If you have, then you cannot really argue that their views on moral issues differs from the teachings of the Church on those same issues. They are in favor of abortion. They are in favor of same sex marriage. Those are two issues that the Church is clearly against. So, yes that is how democrats believe. If individual members of the democrat party claim not believe that way, then how can they support a party where all the candidates do support such things?

You are twisting words. I don't believe anyone said that. What has been said is that when you vote for someone you can't let those issues be the only ones that guide your decision for whom to vote. You can't ignore morals because you approve of their social programs.

As a matter of fact, this republican president is responsible for getting sweeping changes made to the educational system in this country. Have you heard of the program "Leave no child behind?" A republican backed educational reform. Also, this admininistration was responsible for changes in social security to include a prescription health benefit. So, to suggest that you must vote democrat in order for such social programs to be available is simply inaccurate.

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I understand both views, since I'm not an American and I don't know much about both parties, all I can say is that it seems like President Hinckley is not very concerned about it when he said:

Since I personally think this is only his opinion, it seems like it is not or should not be a big issue in the Church. We have the free agency to choose our political leaders, we have to be grateful to be able to have such a freedom in order to do this. I personally think that I'm sure there are great people who are Republicans and great people who are Democrats. Just like a Republican will not agree with everything in the platform of the Republican party, in the same way, Democrats will not support or agree with everything in the Democrat party, so to say that just because a person is a Democrat is supporting abortion or to say that a Republican is a War supporter is not correct. We don't agree with all the things the parties do and we don't have to.