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Oliron: Yes, I agree we just see the facts - Page 2 - Politics, Business, Civil, History - Posted: 13th Jun, 2010 - 7:55pm

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Being married to more than one woman at the same time - illegal in most parts of the Western World. In the Middle East and South Africa it is legal. (See links to related Threads)
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Post Date: 9th Jun, 2010 - 9:32pm / Post ID: #

Is Polygamy Organized Crime?
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Yes it is a crime but that does not mean that people who are following this way of life is a organized crime family. Sometimes letting people live in peace and harmony as long as they do not infringe on the rights of others is the way to go. I do not practice this and I doubt I would but just because I speed does not mean that I and other speeders are organized criminals.

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Post Date: 10th Jun, 2010 - 12:04am / Post ID: #

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Comments: OneBadElf:
Yes, if two men can live together or two women can live together and that is not criminal than where is the logic to have polygamy classified as a crime. I mean if same gender couples (and I have nothing against them) can raise kids. Then would a child living in a polygamous relationship not in general be even better off. Having at least one parent of each gender? I for one wish that this whole polygamy issue would go to the supreme court. Lets fight real crime, let's fight child as well as spousal abuse for monogamous or polygamous relationships.

Post Date: 10th Jun, 2010 - 4:33am / Post ID: #

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Yes, I totally agree with you. Let them live according to their believes. If there is abuse, then let the law deal with it, marriage to a minor same thing, deal with it. And that holds true for any type of relationship.

Coming back to the topic, it seems idiotic to me anyways, to think there is some kind of organized crime involved. I mean, what kind of money would they make and from whom? I can see drugs, prostitution, but polygamy?

10th Jun, 2010 - 5:17am / Post ID: #

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I would have to say that it is organized crime. You can't tell me these guys don't all know each other and work together to keep what they are doing looking legit. Any time you have that many people working behind closed doors like that you are going to have pockets of them who are abusing their powers.

To think that there isn't some form of organized manipulation or crime is nieve.

That said I don't have a particular problem with the whole thing. I just find it hard to believe that everyone thinks nothing fishy is going on. Men are men, they are human. Holy, enlightened, whatever, and they will abuse power. Maybe not all of them but a good majority. Especially when you have them all working together.


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10th Jun, 2010 - 5:11pm / Post ID: #

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Oliron:
Being on the inside myself, I would like to ask you what kind of "support" you have to make statements like the ones you did.

Using your same logic, I would then state that all you monogamists must have some form of organized crime. Many of you having one wife, some through your inner circle network have mistresses on the side. You no doubt have departments in your underground organization that track the next female that will take the place of current spouse that in 3 years from now will be disposed (recycled) wife. We need to be careful of inbreeding.

I mean just the fact that you guys only settled for one wife seems to smell of something organized. And the fact that polygamists have been barred from tax deductions of their additional wives seems like a conspiracy, would you not agree?


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10th Jun, 2010 - 5:20pm / Post ID: #

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Well, in some cases it's organized crime because a lot of these groups really need money because of the size of their families so the wives apply for government welfare and they get welfare as single moms even though they live in polygamy...kind of sneaky if you ask me. They're misusing the system.


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10th Jun, 2010 - 6:10pm / Post ID: #

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Robert, I am not really sure I follow your logic. As being married to a single woman is not illegal and being married to more than one at a time is. I can understand what you are saying though about how one can look at it like it is not organized crime. However in America it is a crime, and most of these crimes are involved or taking part within an organization. So, I am not really sure what else it would be called when looking at these facts.

I will offer some logic as well as support to my claims.

If you take just about any woman who has lived on the outside. Then ask her if she would share her man with other women. She would laugh at you and say no way. I guess I am just using my own experiences and knowledge to form this opinion. Though I have discussed this very topic with more than a few women and the pole has been unanimous.

This has led me to the conclusion, along with other information, that the women who are living this way are probably being brainwashed or controlled. Possibly starting at a very young age. I have found much information to support this idea.

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"In the 21st century we should not be debating whether or not slavery

should exist. Polygamy is another form of slavery where children are

at risk every day because they are conditioned to embrace a life of

servitude," says Rowenna Erickson, T.A.P. Co-founder. Not only are

young men discarded because they are competition for older men, young girls are often

child-brides, forced into arranged marriages, trafficked across state lines

and international borders, as well as, becoming victims of statutory

r-pe, sexual abuse, and incest.


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This is just one quote, one does not have to go very far to find more information supporting my claims.

Saying that because people cheat in monogamist relationships, is not in my mind, a valid argument for polygamy. Ideally no one would cheat on there spouse, or significant other.

All that said I am sure there are plenty of cases were abuse does not occur and everyone is happy. I don't think that is such a crazy idea. I accept that some people find this lifestyle ideal for them. However history has shown us that when you allow men to make their own laws and be judge and jury of their own laws. They tend to abuse those laws and fiddle with them to their own ends.

To be clear I don't think having more than one wife should be a crime. If all involved are consenting adults of sound mind. Yet, the world is what it is and looking at history, in my opinion the law is there for good reason.

I don't think I can overlook this as just being a case of people speeding or whatever. I just don't see that strong of a correlation between the two crimes. Lets be serious here for a second, there is a lot more going on in this situation other than speeding.

I think we are just going to end up agreeing to disagree on this one.


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13th Jun, 2010 - 7:55pm / Post ID: #

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Oliron: Yes, I agree we just see the facts different. Some last comments I would like to make:
I asked previously what kind of proof you had and you quoted Rowena Erickson and the Jessup lady. Rowena was an ex wife related to the Kingston group. I know very little about this very tiny (1000-1500) closed group. She might be right in her experiences. I do not know. I hope you have read her writings. It will give you some idea who we are dealing with. I will give her the benefit of the doubt that she related truthfully what happened in the Kingston organization. My point is that her comments in no way reflect nor represents what goes on in 50,000 other peoples lives. There are other excellent video interviews on youtube and other places that reflect a totally opposite reality. You will see some neat interviews with Primetime with a group in Centennial Park. No, sex before marriage, clean clothes, going to college, nobody being forced into anything, women normally choose the husband (oh really) no swearing, May be what you should do is visit us and have a look yourself. Certainly you are smart enough to see if women are brainwashed, have memorized scripts, are prisoners, have no phones or cell phones. My gosh man I think you just swallowed everything up including the whole fishing rod. May be you can remember the Texas raid and you see some of the wives talking on their cell phones! Is it not amazing when 425 children were rounded up that they all (begrudingly and under a court order) had to be released. Now what do you think we would find if we go to any city, your pick and grab 425 kids? Think any one of them might have been abused, raped, etc? I guess the stats will tell you. Women cannot drive? really? Then Rowena Erickson states that Joseph Smith was bi-polar? Sounds like she has a little religious ax to grind with the LDS church.? Maybe impacts her objectivity a little.
So, your fact rests upon 2 women, one has her story on another "religious" website and the other lady makes money selling books. Again, investigate other sources please! You will find a totally different reality. It's like talking to Adolf Hitler, I somehow don't think you get a rounded and balanced perspective. By the way, the invitation stands. Arizona hopefully not too far away for you. Below is a school comment.

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